tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post5159805078706842653..comments2024-03-28T17:55:31.180-04:00Comments on The Gossips of Rivertown: "Cruel and Heartless"Carole Osterinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16010623982526286408noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-16716959794453747392014-05-09T10:10:41.408-04:002014-05-09T10:10:41.408-04:00Despite all obstructions to their easement, Labrad...Despite all obstructions to their easement, Labradors continue to walk their humans past the HWL to "wade in the water".1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-14245052886503982882014-05-08T23:10:57.873-04:002014-05-08T23:10:57.873-04:00The historical significance of of the Colonial Ord...The historical significance of of the Colonial Ordnance of 1640, (amended in 1647) was to give to American Navigators the land beneath Navigable water, all the way to the normal high vwater line. Up until then, the king ruled everything, but if the king could've taken these lands back, no one would build the wharves needed to bring in new immigrants. <br /><br />Long live the people...1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-40148490955338580722014-05-08T22:21:12.270-04:002014-05-08T22:21:12.270-04:00Tom:
http://www.nationalrivers.org/what-are-you-bu...Tom:<br />http://www.nationalrivers.org/what-are-you-buying-when-you-buy-riverfront-property.html.<br />The land beneath Navigable water remains vested in the people, not just as users but as owners...<br />J1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-44634370890044309952014-05-08T20:24:38.657-04:002014-05-08T20:24:38.657-04:00Oh boy, now you've asked for it!
The matter d...Oh boy, now you've asked for it!<br /><br />The matter discussed above refers to fishing along a publicly-owned shore. <br /><br />But in some circumstances, our navigable rights do permit limited trespass along private shores: to access certain water bodies, to portage around obstacles, and to rest.<br />unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-68521413741568543012014-05-08T19:32:23.165-04:002014-05-08T19:32:23.165-04:00Joe & unheimlich-please enlighten me, and gor ...Joe & unheimlich-please enlighten me, and gor readers too, on the laws relative to fishing, access, etc. to tidal waters in NYS.<br />Am I correct that all people have a right to access the banks of oceans, tidal waters & ?<br />tmdonofriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11370760970951114120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-79291189870170674502014-05-08T15:46:21.838-04:002014-05-08T15:46:21.838-04:00Words that should be inscribed in the public memor...Words that should be inscribed in the public memory bear repeating:<br /><br />"Judge Porten dismissed those charges 'in the interest of justice', while leaving intact the orders of protection against the other four."<br /><br />Thanks to all who stand up.unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-7406220027416733062014-05-08T15:27:05.239-04:002014-05-08T15:27:05.239-04:00Judge Porten dismissed those charges "in the ...Judge Porten dismissed those charges "in the interest of justice”, while leaving intact the orders of protection against the other four.<br /><br />HPD doesn't draw down on fisher folk on at Rick's Point, guess justice excludes "just us"...<br />1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-89162667707249043692014-05-08T14:24:51.036-04:002014-05-08T14:24:51.036-04:00Actually, those neighborhoods were outside of the ...Actually, those neighborhoods were outside of the perimeter of the park which was granted by the proprietors.<br /><br />But following the demolition, the entire neighborhood's listing as a district of the National Register of Historic Places - a listing which had benefited from the park - had to be reconfigured.unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-14815704934506976412014-05-08T14:19:01.939-04:002014-05-08T14:19:01.939-04:00Re: Urban renewal of the 1970's then was in co...Re: Urban renewal of the 1970's then was in complete violation of the gifting offer. So many wonderful homes with history of the growth of Hudson were destroyed, many with contents of generations who were unable to bring their "history and memorabilia" to their new residences. Homes bulldozed...history bulldozed. Many Hudson natives continue to mourn the loss and devastation, as evidenced on a logal Facebook page in remembering Hudson.<br />CGLBGLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18075907398341970089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-82896934368267344442014-05-08T14:13:27.934-04:002014-05-08T14:13:27.934-04:00RE" The demolition and destruction of homes o...RE" The demolition and destruction of homes on the Promenade Hill are during 1970's Urban Renewal. Was that not a violation of the "gifting" in the 1780's. I will never reconcile myself to the destruction of those older homes. So much history bulldozed...so many citizens bulldozed.<br />CGLBGLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18075907398341970089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-28837660752804875842014-05-08T14:08:21.237-04:002014-05-08T14:08:21.237-04:00But Joe, one of your specific examples does show t...But Joe, one of your specific examples does show that the law works.<br /><br />You know the case better than most. Last year a group of fishermen walking the bank beneath the Furgary camps (now city property) were arrested for trespassing.<br /><br />Faced with what was surely false arrest, all but one of the fisherman relented to the charge. <br /><br />The individual who stood up for himself argued that his ancient right to fish the river bank was being violated. Then, when it came time to explain an authority that it doesn't have, the spineless city backed down and charges against the one individual were simply dropped. <br /><br />The city offered no explanation for inconveniencing residents, and as far as I know no apology. Predictably, this story of someone standing up for himself against the mayor's make-believe authority conveniently evaporated.unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-69856318329657067762014-05-08T13:20:00.782-04:002014-05-08T13:20:00.782-04:00There is no law in place prohibiting dogs or fishi...There is no law in place prohibiting dogs or fishing from the banks of public watercourse, yet HPD has removed (at gunpoint) members of the City's oldest/only Rod & Gun. <br /><br />Eight years right then eight years left, just another way to keep us divided...Could the pilot of flight 370 have been right, is democracy dead?<br /> 1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-71070008974040672792014-05-08T12:56:42.937-04:002014-05-08T12:56:42.937-04:00Unlike city-owned parks which are under the admini...Unlike city-owned parks which are under the administration of the Office of the Mayor, the Promenade was specifically granted to "the Common Council forever ... for the purpose of a Public Walk or Mall and for no other purpose whatever." <br /><br />On March 9, 1785 - four years before George Washington took office - the city's proprietors gifted this park not to "the city," a term they used elsewhere, but to our legislature.<br /><br />The Common Council is sole owner of the Promenade park and is wholly responsible for any modifications to it.<br /><br />Even if you don't agree that the grant and the manner in which it was granted are unique artifacts of the 18th century mind, warranting our respect on those grounds alone, the city is still bound "upon such terms as may be prescribed by the grantor or donor" (§C1-2).<br /><br />It's nothing new for politicians to cede old responsibilities or to usurp new ones as convenience dictates, but if the people aren't willing to defend their own history and privileges then they're as much to blame as anyone else. <br /><br />There should be no additions, subtractions, or modifications at Promenade Hill - and that includes new signs - that are not authorized by our representatives on the council. unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-16138973542081551432014-05-08T11:58:47.735-04:002014-05-08T11:58:47.735-04:00If I'm not mistaken there is no law in place p...If I'm not mistaken there is no law in place prohibiting or allowing dogs. The only laws specify how to handle your dog in public places. In America ( The United States of) it is the people who decide what the laws will be from the smallest issue all the way up to do we even want this kind of local government. Are you both informed and a voter?Ed Gumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481629693220412221noreply@blogger.com