tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post6465228349250756585..comments2024-03-27T22:52:12.619-04:00Comments on The Gossips of Rivertown: The Fate of 208 Columbia StreetCarole Osterinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16010623982526286408noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-73465715484795818742013-12-31T10:39:29.769-05:002013-12-31T10:39:29.769-05:00They literally gave away the farm.They literally gave away the farm.signifierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03601047461286366304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-41574227459015089072013-12-30T19:46:44.172-05:002013-12-30T19:46:44.172-05:00It's how the south bay was filled in. Incremen...It's how the south bay was filled in. Incrementally, the city moves the HWL forward, fills it in illegally, and land formerly under water returns to the "sovereign".<br /><br />The least we can do, is let them know, we know.<br /><br />1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-2613063267722273872013-12-30T17:45:01.211-05:002013-12-30T17:45:01.211-05:00Yes! Now I'm in front of the map I see that yo...Yes! Now I'm in front of the map I see that you're correct, Joe.<br /><br />Whaddya know, the land south of Dock Street around Front Street should belong to the people of the State of New York.<br /><br />So, now what? A call to Hernick at OGS? (Like he'd do anything.)unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-62434197287383128592013-12-30T14:44:34.107-05:002013-12-30T14:44:34.107-05:00I'll definitely check out the map when I get h...I'll definitely check out the map when I get home tonight.<br /><br />I hope that others can glean from our conversation how bizarre - and unfair - this place is.<br /><br />Of course the state has now granted certain underwater lands to the city in the North Bay. But it appears that the same rationalization for the state to do so was sustained when that fisherman's trespassing case was dismissed after being charged for fishing on that same shore.<br /><br />That tells me that the rarified conditions the state had to meet to grant underwater lands were in some way transmitted to the city, and that the city can't risk the same grant being invalidated by ignoring our ancient rights. This is a small compensation, but it's something.unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-25289654623540245452013-12-30T13:32:05.963-05:002013-12-30T13:32:05.963-05:00The City's land grant application map was for ...The City's land grant application map was for land (14.49 acres) north of Dock St. The very same map shows the 1785 HWL protruding south of Dock to land "swapped" to Riverloft LLC and now to Craftec. If the city didn't own sewer plant property because it was formerly under water, how were these lands transferred without permission of the "sovereign"?<br />The answer to this question is obvious, the city of Hudson is now the lord of land under water and this is no longer a nation of laws but a nation of little Lords...<br />1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-69521433074737877452013-12-30T11:23:05.606-05:002013-12-30T11:23:05.606-05:00I believe that the 14.49 acres under the Waste Wat...I believe that the 14.49 acres under the Waste Water Treatment Plant, now granted to the city, includes all previously underwater lands up to the high water mark of 1785.<br /><br />Curious wording though on the state OGS map, which describes the city bus garage and the lot behind it as "Lands Occupied by the City of Hudson."<br /><br />But because those areas were upland of the shore in 1785, they must already have been granted to the city proprietors by the state. <br /><br />In other words, the deeds that the Proprietors drew up where the bus garage is today were legitimate; the deeds they drew up beneath Furgary were counterfeit. unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-9478223109492094262013-12-30T10:20:07.662-05:002013-12-30T10:20:07.662-05:00Back to the garden, if the conveyance of the Mati...Back to the garden, if the conveyance of the Matice farm was not legal, is not the city pound on State property formerly under water? Might the public be better served by a community garden than a car lot?1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-28365331057243874952013-12-30T09:12:36.413-05:002013-12-30T09:12:36.413-05:00In a place like Hudson, the ancient right you'...In a place like Hudson, the ancient right you've described is cheerfully dismantled, while AMTRAK enjoys unrestricted shore access across city-owned upland and nobody bats an eye! <br /><br />Is there anyone else who's curious to see how the AMTRAK lease is written, or whether there is a written agreement at all?<br /><br />The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. But where a superficial uniformity of thought in the citizenry conceals a deep incoherence, then it's as sure as the tides the society becomes vulnerable to the proclivities of capriciousness law-makers.unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-50025289959132575882013-12-30T08:23:10.789-05:002013-12-30T08:23:10.789-05:00"Land formerly under water returns to the sov..."Land formerly under water returns to the sovereign". In the US there is no king, so it returns to the (people of the) state.<br />The unresolved issue at North Dock is; the fishermens wharf is still below the high water line.<br />We lost our case based on "the soil beneath navigable remains vested in the state".<br />Fishermen are part of the state and are entitled to free and easy (equal) use of the wharf. <br />1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-39555850485481213682013-12-29T19:25:10.297-05:002013-12-29T19:25:10.297-05:00Yes, "the [treatment] plant would have been m...Yes, "the [treatment] plant would have been much better placed on the odd side of Dock Street" from a legal aspect as well.<br /><br />Too many readers who've been here their whole lives still don't realize that the treatment plant was mistakenly built on state-owned property. <br /><br />Of course everyone from the North Dock Tin Boat Association knows this all too well. You fellows paid a great financial price for the privilege of having the state negate long-standing deeds, only to be evicted soon after. <br /><br />The City of Hudson, on the other hand, was absolved of the same error before the state revealed that the city was also a squatter for decades. <br /><br />To be accurate, the city also paid a small fortune in deed searches to prove that it held title, but the state invalidated all claims other than its own.<br /><br />This just seemed as good a moment as any to recount a typically bizarre Hudson story about waterfront property.unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-85374325028743970572013-12-29T10:35:50.204-05:002013-12-29T10:35:50.204-05:00Readers who have been here less than twenty-five y...Readers who have been here less than twenty-five years might find it interesting/ironic that Urban Renewal began by eliminating the Matice farm, to make room for the sewage treatment plant on Dock St.<br /><br />From an engineering point of view, the plant would have been much better placed on the odd side of Dock street rather than in the North bay.<br /><br />Be that as it may, the city pound could easily be moved to the other side of the street (or further upland) which would not only make room for a community garden but more importantly, give access to the tidal stream that lies hidden behind. This would create additional inner city river access, a boat launch at flood, and canoe sluice at ebb tide.<br /><br />1 Riparian<br />1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-83234042069138398312013-12-29T08:59:40.590-05:002013-12-29T08:59:40.590-05:00Lucky for the friendly city, tricky Rick took char...Lucky for the friendly city, tricky Rick took charge twenty years ago during the Shrimp Box scandal, by implementing himself as "overseer" of the development corporation.1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-65728045033456403472013-12-28T21:52:59.213-05:002013-12-28T21:52:59.213-05:00exactly!!exactly!!Jeffrey Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04900418559890548746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-62120543492620093322013-12-28T21:52:33.976-05:002013-12-28T21:52:33.976-05:00there is NO shamethere is NO shameJeffrey Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04900418559890548746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-40601520376872645532013-12-28T21:51:51.924-05:002013-12-28T21:51:51.924-05:00conflict of interest, endorsed by Hudsonconflict of interest, endorsed by HudsonJeffrey Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04900418559890548746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-57871593732941792012013-12-28T21:17:31.629-05:002013-12-28T21:17:31.629-05:00I have way too much to say about this, so some oth...I have way too much to say about this, so some other time, except that this is my neighborhood and it makes me very sad and depressed. What a rigged bunch of bullshit, that just never ends.Prison Alleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059050028975347899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-20457932247619482482013-12-28T11:15:33.851-05:002013-12-28T11:15:33.851-05:00I have been here for 26 years and I'm still wa...I have been here for 26 years and I'm still waiting for the word "shame" to make a difference!Peter Meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12627451247693034161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-5172832261071911342013-12-28T09:17:35.156-05:002013-12-28T09:17:35.156-05:00"The last step is to obtain Council approval&..."The last step is to obtain Council approval"?<br /><br />How strange that on November 7th we were instructed by a city alderman who's also a Board Member for Habitat for Humanity that "the Common Council has nothing to do with this land."<br /><br />A misdirection? A conflict of interest? <br /><br />In Hudson? Impossible!unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-75677462474947659842013-12-28T08:46:05.753-05:002013-12-28T08:46:05.753-05:00a less shady approach would have been to publicall...a less shady approach would have been to publically auction off this parcel - but shady is the Hudson wayVincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05548912912359709568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-63079800627315332462013-12-28T08:42:17.375-05:002013-12-28T08:42:17.375-05:00pitiful pittancepitiful pittanceVincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05548912912359709568noreply@blogger.com