tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post6985644233317506684..comments2024-03-28T17:55:31.180-04:00Comments on The Gossips of Rivertown: Not to Be MissedCarole Osterinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16010623982526286408noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-8565500830523942982010-04-14T17:40:17.759-04:002010-04-14T17:40:17.759-04:00Anonymous responding to anonymous: My understandin...Anonymous responding to anonymous: My understanding is that the group homes in Greenport would be for developmentally disabled adults-- mentally disabled, perhaps autistic, Down's syndrome, etc. These are the people I describe having worked with. They are not to be "feared." <br /><br />But the Lantern facility would house recovering addicts, formerly homeless, etc. Only 3 developmentally disabled people. It is the first two groups-- and their attendant problems-- that I do not want on the main street of our town. It would potentially be Hudson Terrace all over again, and you've spelled out the difficulties of that. <br /><br />That residents there are given a wide birth for any violation of rules-- from having a dog to selling drugs-- is wrong and should be righted. If the police won't do it, who will? "Us"? Can anything be changed or done?<br /><br />My frustration with "scenes" that occur in places like Hudson Terrace, or on State Street near my home, is lack of "civic" behavior (granted, my own particular judgment of what is civic). My ideal world-- and no doubt this means Hudson-- would include citizens who show respect for each other in word and deed, show respect for their surroundings and belongings, and those of others. If I thought potential residents of Starboard would act "civilly" I would be much more welcoming, but as you say the experiment must fail. You are probably right, but I am a Pollyanna at heart and will continue to hope, eventually, it will succeed. In Hudson; just not on Warren Street.<br /><br />Side note/ End note: to be happy and successful in life, people need to feel they belong, that they matter, that they have purpose. I am convinced if more people in Hudson felt they had a purpose (and responsibility) toward the betterment of our town, we would not have as many problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-19577176157613891912010-04-13T09:27:54.157-04:002010-04-13T09:27:54.157-04:00"I have worked with people like those who wou..."I have worked with people like those who would be living in the homes and I see nothing to 'fear'."<br /><br />Anonymous, you might have bought a home near the Hudson Terrace Apartments on Front Street, and been cured of your finer feelings by now.<br /><br />Down here, we're convinced us that the Hudson police give the apartments a wide berth. Drug dealing and other law-breaking is rampant (phoned-in to the HPD, yet never to become a statistic). <br /><br />Many in Hudson Terrace are breaking the rules by keeping dogs, but our calls to the management office are met with hostility. It's the "us and them" attitude, can you believe it?! (I take your supposition to be that the "us and them" can't possibly come from "them," right?) <br /><br />And those are merely "section 8" apartments! But I'm sure the behaviors will change once those apartments are refurbished at such great cost to the taxpayer.<br /><br />You remind me of the scene in "Annie Hall," when Allen is visiting the ghost of his past at Cony Island. His father is offering a socio-economic rationalization for why the maid must continue to steal from him. It is implied that he feels better about himself for this reflexive magnanimity. The mother is more "NIMBY," but for some reason Woody Allen concludes that they're "both crazy." Your comment reads as if you are both parents, so maybe now I understand Allen's exasperated conclusion a little better.<br /><br />I have a bipolar brother who has greatly improved (all we can ask for) ever since we stopped making the kinds of excuses and rationalizations that your "ideal" world-view would foist upon your new neighbors. (Oh I forgot, not your immediate neighbors, but just some townsmen elsewhere.)<br /><br />But if by putting this facility somewhere further away in Hudson, somewhere not too near to you, we can do anything to improve your feelings of self-worth and magnanimity (thus defeating that troubling "pride" that worries you so - huh?), then I'm all for it. The world is my therapy-place too, locals be damned! <br /><br />And when the experiment fails, as it must, one can always move along to help create an ideal world somewhere else. After all, the trail of failures is always someone else's fault, since blaming unfortunates is the only kind of mental disorder that deserves punishment.<br /><br />As I say to my brother in his better moods, "Your both crazy."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-21661864680700880642010-04-13T00:18:10.220-04:002010-04-13T00:18:10.220-04:00Housing proposals of varied sorts are coming at Hu...Housing proposals of varied sorts are coming at Hudson and the surrounding area like meteorites lately, and I find myself pondering, philosophical. What makes a place desirable to live? If Hudson was desirable to me when I 'found' it a few years back, what made it so? Clearly, it is the "mix" that is here, in every sense of the word. We are not Rhinebeck, we are not Bed-Stuy. To me, we are a pleasing place in the middle.<br /><br />Having moved to and begun creating a life (my ideal life to be honest) in Hudson, I am now more aware of an underbelly. Yet I find myself striving to keep in check an "us and them" attitude, to not let my pride sway. I also find myself greatly wanting to contribute to our community in a positive way.<br /><br />I pondered recently as I read about Greenport residents who would like to keep group homes for disabled citizens out of their neighborhood. I have worked with people like those who would be living in the homes and I see nothing to "fear." I have been in such homes and know them to be well-supervised, positive places for disabled people to live and learn. I truly hope the residents in Greenport where the homes are proposed will take a second look, become informed, and welcome the group home residents as neighbors. I would welcome them on my block, if it were proposed.<br /><br />But oh, hypocrite that I am, as I ponder Lantern's Starboard proposal. The building is near where I live, on the corner of Warren I pass most often on errands etc. When I think of the people for whom the housing is proposed... yes, I'm going to say it: I don't want them there. Not right there. It's not that I don't want them to have a nice place to live, in Hudson, I simply don't want them on a prominent corner of town. This type of housing on Warren Street is not a forward move for Hudson. When I read the archived Register Star Article detailing the 2008 proposal for townhouses and commercial space on the corner, I realize it might not be a realistic plan in this economy, but it holds much greater appeal and makes more sense for the long term vision for our city. (Sidenote: Has anyone noticed that the current plan is 10,000 sq.ft. larger than the earlier "monolith" proposal? Does size matter, here?)<br /><br />How do I oppose the Starboard proposal without seeming like a snob, or heartless, or the hypocrite that I am? My stance against it would make no one believe that still, it is Hudson's mix that I love, that keeps life here "real."<br /><br />And besides, where will Tortillaville go if Starboard comes?!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-69166864961116309752010-04-12T11:21:33.640-04:002010-04-12T11:21:33.640-04:00the proposed building would ruin the growing busin...the proposed building would ruin the growing business districtJamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-59286446107111295642010-04-11T16:01:58.411-04:002010-04-11T16:01:58.411-04:00I'll be thrilled if we end up with a building ...I'll be thrilled if we end up with a building that good-looking at the corner of 5th & Warren. I was bracing for blue-grey vinyl. But the notion of using prime commercial real estate for the purpose of housing individuals with challenges is nuts. Hudson is already shouldering more than its share of that load.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com