tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post1311704031030016663..comments2024-03-28T17:55:31.180-04:00Comments on The Gossips of Rivertown: The Brousseau BuildingCarole Osterinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16010623982526286408noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-82548177208411112992012-03-16T20:43:49.350-04:002012-03-16T20:43:49.350-04:00The only things they should be discussing
is rest...The only things they should be discussing <br />is restoration of existing original windows & <br />existing double entrance doors,re pointing<br />&returning the original portico's as they were.<br />GaLvan is trying to get HPC to let them REMODEL BLDG exterior<br />with Storefronts , to suit their rent roll(That HPC rejected before.)<br />All against HPC Code<br />is this a negotiation with the LAW?<br />Are they saying,we have the portico's,which we removed <br />and we will put them back<br />but HPC has to let us make Storefronts on this historic building<br />designed to be completely Residential.<br />or what?They'll set the portico's on fire?<br />They suddenly won't be able to find them?<br />HPC has to nip this in the bud immediately.<br />This is GaLvan's first move,with Swope at the helm.<br />Swope just resigned as Chair for HPC<br />he knows better,so no excuses.<br />Let this slide and there will be no stopping them<br />or anyone else.<br />The new members of HPC and C.C <br />should be on this immediately<br /> and the proposed Senior Extension to be attached<br />to a historic Church in a Historic District<br />that is need of restoration.<br />Again, if HPC doesn't draw a line in the sand\<br />and hold their ground <br />with the "City" itself and GaLvan<br /> lets them just go ahead<br />like they did with Worth Building<br />then our Laws mean nothing<br />and we as citizens will have no means<br />to protect our Architectural Heritage going forward<br /> There are very important buildings on the line right now<br /> and more in the near future.<br />HPC can not let the" City "<br />decide who gets to break the LAW<br /> and who doesn't<br /> because of power & money<br />by aiding and abetting themPrison Alleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059050028975347899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-5823892657317953442012-03-16T20:42:30.989-04:002012-03-16T20:42:30.989-04:00Vincent,I apologise ,the end your comment3/2/2010 ...Vincent,I apologise ,the end your comment3/2/2010 was<br /> " but what i wanted to say is; <br />gawd - these buildings are even uglier in a pic!" <br />You were referring to Hudson Terrace on Front St<br /> I could not agree with you more.<br /> I just did not want any confusion<br />as this was about the history of HPC<br />and their power to make GalVan, the City of Hudson<br />or anyone else comply to HPC code<br />code is LAW<br /> The issue is the The Brousseau Building and return of the portico's.<br />As you say above<br /> "These portico's were one of my all time favorites<br /> of Hudson's architectural beauty."<br />The most important element <br />for exterior restoration of the The Brousseau Building,<br />ironically Galvan has caused themselves,<br />by removing the portico's in the first place<br />Why would they do such a thing<br />and who allowed them , to a historic building in a historic district<br />by a known architect?<br />HPC.<br />Swope as HPC chair OKed Galloway to change original 2 doors to one<br />so then the original portico's would no longer be appropriate<br />WHAT?<br />"When asked if Galloway could be required to replicate the original portico's<br /> using the original columns,<br />Swope, then chair of the HPC, rejected the idea, <br />saying that the altered doorways required different portico's<br /> that would better complement them." <br />The double entrances and its portico's <br />with the proportion of existing windows<br />with thier stone sills and splayed lintels with keystone<br />& block modillions under eaves <br />are much of what makes<br />this Residential Building so unique and graceful.<br />Complex in it's simplicity.Prison Alleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059050028975347899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-3057537717734036772012-03-15T22:39:44.210-04:002012-03-15T22:39:44.210-04:00"something wicked this way comes" = ......."something wicked this way comes" = ....Vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05548912912359709568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-48226413166119465152012-03-15T18:47:53.511-04:002012-03-15T18:47:53.511-04:00Tuesday, March 2, 2010
Work Has Begun at Hudson Te...Tuesday, March 2, 2010<br />Work Has Begun at Hudson Terrace <br />Gossips of Rivertown<br />[Although on a very different set of circumstances,I have been haunted by the Comments that followed.Also in reading this series of articles Carole Osterink wrote on this subject,I was surprised to know how long Attn.Roberts has been actively aware of HPC Code]<br /> --------------------------------<br />PeterMar 2, 2010 02:45 PM<br />Carole, has Hudson's historic preservation backbone turned to jelly? It seems that these kinds of open violations of rules are happening more frequently than ever (yes? no?). If they need a certificate and they didn't get one, shouldn't they be arrested? Should someone call the cops?<br /> Reply<br />vincentMar 2, 2010 06:42 PM<br /><br />Peter - Carole can confirm - my understanding is that before the preservation committee went valid our mayor made sure that they had no power - at that time our building inspector was forced out through pay starvation and then our present inspector was put in place by - drum roll here - the same mayor. The present inspector is a great guy but could care two hoots about preservation appropriateness - at the mayors bidding of course. Galloway is a savior we all just don't appreciate enough......<br /> Reply<br />Carole OsterinkMar 2, 2010 09:45 PM<br />The Historic Preservation Commission has no policing power. The code enforcement officer is responsible for enforcing the preservation laws along with the zoning laws and building codes. That's not an unusual situation, and, to be honest, it's really not surprising that our CEO missed the nuance that noncontributing structures in a historic district are subject to HPC review just as contributing structures are.<br /> But here's the thing. As reported on this blog, I emailed the Historic Preservation Commission on February 6 to ask if Hudson Terrace had applied for a certificate of appropriateness. I went to their meeting on February 12 to raise the issue again. Yet it was only yesterday, after I emailed the HPC again, this time copying the city attorney assigned to that commission, that the chair of the HPC sent an email to the CEO informing him of the problem.<br /> Reply<br />vincentMar 2, 2010 11:37 PM<br />Thank you Carole - I see the problem is not as easily explained as I thought.<br />Reply<br />john friedman Mar 3, 2010 08:33 AM<br />If the code enforcement officer is not doing his job has the idea of suing for a writ of mandamus (a court order to do the job) been discussed? it seems appropriate and might even shame some action out of the City?<br /> Reply<br />Carole Osterink Mar 3, 2010 09:12 AM<br />John--People tend to walk on eggshells when it comes to the historic preservation ordinance in Hudson--for good reason. Mayor Scalera has been quoted as saying that signing that legislation was the biggest mistake he ever made--or words to that effect. Early on he suspended the law and made some changes that transferred some of the power usually vested in a historic preservation commission to the Common Council (having to do with designating landmarks and historic districts). The fear is that if preservationists make too much trouble, the mayor might try to repeal the law altogether.<br /> -----------------------------<br />current HPC Code<br />§ 169-14 Role of Building Inspector. <br />The Building Inspector, in issuing permits, shall determine whether referral to the Historic Preservation is necessary. The Historic Preservation Commission shall notify the Building Inspector of all determinations<br />--------------------------------------<br /> I just keep thinking of the<br />1962 novel by Ray Bradbury<br />I read as a kid<br />"Something Wicked This Way Comes"Prison Alleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059050028975347899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-32509282927773741212012-03-15T18:44:07.291-04:002012-03-15T18:44:07.291-04:00The Independent, Friday, June 13, 2003
By Diana La...The Independent, Friday, June 13, 2003<br />By Diana Ladden<br />HUDSON — A measure creating a commission to establish and<br />preserve landmarks and historic districts in Hudson was<br />signed into law Tuesday by Mayor Richard Scalera.<br /> Under the new law, no one who owns a building designated<br />as historic, or lying in a defined historic district, can proceed<br />with exterior work that could change the appearance of<br />the building or the cohesiveness of the district, without the<br /> Commission’s okay.<br />- - - - - - - - - <br />cityofhudson.org<br />official web site<br />SEC :Historic Preservation<br />2nd paragraph<br />It was a boom town for the first decades of its existence and much of its form and structure was created in that first period reflecting the taste for Greek Revival of the time. Subsequently many of these structures were altered, so the facades along Warren Street present a variety of styles from the late 18th into the early 20th Century. Hudson has been called "one of the richest dictionaries of architectural history in New York State." Hudson was one of the first planned cities in the country and its grid of streets reflects Enlightenment values. <br />What makes Hudson exceptional is its preservation; its urban core is intact and was not cut up by highways and access ramps or destroyed for new construction as happened in so many other cities. In general, the character and appearance of the city has remained unchanged for nearly a century. This is why historic preservation is so important to Hudson's future. The Historic Preservation Law was created to maintain the unique historic character that has made Hudson so special to all of its residents. <br /> In 2003 the City of Hudson enacted local law No. 3 establishing the Historic Preservation Commission. The Commission was charged with the task of identifying and protecting the city's most historically significant structures and neighborhoods. Like so many other communities across New York State, Hudson has determined that the protection, enhancement, and maintenance of the city's historic character, so readily apparent in its beautiful buildings and streetscapes, is critically important to the economic health and general welfare of <br />the the community.Prison Alleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059050028975347899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-87241004873549922102012-03-15T11:31:10.668-04:002012-03-15T11:31:10.668-04:00"Duplicity"? Not on your life.
In a po..."Duplicity"? Not on your life. <br /><br />In a postmodern world we can finally appreciate that it was just Brutus's interpretation of "friendship" ("interpretation" being the true Galvan mission!).<br /><br />Happy ides!unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-88619120139172461012012-03-15T09:20:50.822-04:002012-03-15T09:20:50.822-04:00I rather like the notion that the Galvan foundatio...I rather like the notion that the Galvan foundation is doing whatever it is doing "under the guise" of attention to historical accuracy. "Under the guise" of friendship Brutus concealed duplicity. Though that wasn't a very good disguise, was it? Nor is this.Byrne Fone https://www.blogger.com/profile/11913646848760720991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-38708258943480158432012-03-14T22:12:29.119-04:002012-03-14T22:12:29.119-04:00Thank you and Lynn for this picture of the origina...Thank you and Lynn for this picture of the original porticos, which were columns standing on beautiful cut marble block plinths.<br /><br />These porticos were one of my all time favorites of Hudsons architectural beauty. <br /><br />When I asked Kevin Walker why he was removing them his response was that they were not original and that there was originally a storefront instead.<br /><br />Clearly this was wrong. The newly exposed lintels were set for the porticos.<br /><br />Turns out the plans were based on a pen and ink aerial view of Hudson. On this site was a building with a storefront. It predated the present building designed by O'Conner.<br /><br />They had no idea what they were doing but the lure of a first floor storefront was the goal.Vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05548912912359709568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-43018364039245828162012-03-14T14:38:20.468-04:002012-03-14T14:38:20.468-04:00Since the mission of the Galvan Initiatives Founda...Since the mission of the Galvan Initiatives Foundation is to conserve and maintain buildings of architectural, historic and social significance in Hudson then the missing columns should appear forthright. Right? I assume the live/work units will be getting a tax credit? Most do. And, the other apartments will be market rate?Kate Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15529347526143127406noreply@blogger.com