tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post5192300785644860655..comments2024-03-28T10:27:45.855-04:00Comments on The Gossips of Rivertown: A Response to the Planning Board DecisionCarole Osterinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16010623982526286408noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-34664189420286959112021-06-29T14:24:58.071-04:002021-06-29T14:24:58.071-04:00I don't think it's scare mongering. If the...I don't think it's scare mongering. If the health risks of 5G haven't been conclusively studied, which they haven't, and the health risks of 3G and 4G have, and have shown correlations with different types of brain tumors, leukemia, etc., should not the precautionary principle be applied?<br /><br />That NY Times article had way too much industry spin for me--no surprise, since the FCC, which regulates cell towers and the like, is mostly composed of industry lackeys and includes no one with any medical expertise at all. It was the FCC that inserted a clause in the 1996 Telecom Act that local governments could not object to towers for environmental or health concerns. Outrageous.<br /><br />The Times doesn't always get it right, anyway. In 1952 they dutifully reported that deaths worldwide were down thanks to DDT use, for just one example.Virginia Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11201120778619779181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-6316894949442239432021-06-28T20:37:53.134-04:002021-06-28T20:37:53.134-04:00In addition to the very valid points raised by The...In addition to the very valid points raised by The Faulty Towers group, I would like to add that it’s very disturbing to force this upon residents who are deeply opposed to it, but by virtue of being renters have no real power in the process. It is not a good look for Hudson to disregard the clearly, and passionately stated will of the people most directly affected, and to underscore marginalization because they are not owners, just the long term, lifelong tenants. I’m disappointed that this has happened. Monica Byrnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01895902280087754961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-51045800468895965872021-06-27T11:31:14.344-04:002021-06-27T11:31:14.344-04:00I agree regarding the scare mongering. However, it...I agree regarding the scare mongering. However, it is still an issue that the residents were not listened to. If they had been heard at the outset, it might have been possible to reassure them. M. Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17700158637530451349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-64632212703895664562021-06-27T08:12:56.774-04:002021-06-27T08:12:56.774-04:00Maybe the tenants wouldn’t be so up in arms if peo...Maybe the tenants wouldn’t be so up in arms if people with bad information would stop scaring them. <br /><br />To no small degree, the blossoming anxiety over the professed health risks of 5G technology can be traced to a single scientist and a single chart.<br /><br />Except that Dr. Curry and his graph got it wrong.<br /><br />According to experts on the biological effects of electromagnetic radiation, radio waves become safer at higher frequencies, not more dangerous. (Extremely high-frequency energies, such as X-rays, behave differently and do pose a health risk.)<br /><br />https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/science/5g-cellphones-wireless-cancer.htmlJonathan's Computershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17465537374390874149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-65605082863699908612021-06-26T17:24:52.465-04:002021-06-26T17:24:52.465-04:00Take a deep breath, Bill. You seem like a hyperbol...Take a deep breath, Bill. You seem like a hyperbolic guy who instinctively hates things. John K. Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05658184081506566069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-33956844066556398192021-06-26T11:37:30.631-04:002021-06-26T11:37:30.631-04:00that was exactly the point and was made very clear...that was exactly the point and was made very clear in one of the meetings. It is the owner's disregard for the tenants' wishes that is the real issue here. They were not compelled to enter into an agreement with Verizon<br />M. Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17700158637530451349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-30687612645811994052021-06-26T11:35:33.005-04:002021-06-26T11:35:33.005-04:00Boo Hoo, Mr. Friedman, who's the whiner now? ...Boo Hoo, Mr. Friedman, who's the whiner now? You CHOSE to live between a water treatment plant and a state prison along a truck route, didn't you John? Have you been complaining about the location of your house since the day you bought it? The people of Providence Hall did not choose to live beneath a potentially dangerous piece of technology {from a large private corporation with a spotty record), the effects of which we know too little about. How dare you equate having "a large community of felons on your doorstep" (talk about whiny hyperbole) to cel towers on a low income building that most people who are able to or even bother to speak up about it don't want. P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C. <br />You seem like a smart guy, John, but with an enormous ego that is not flattering. BILLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06165652134301551300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-48859196590961306162021-06-26T08:35:48.661-04:002021-06-26T08:35:48.661-04:00I totally agree with you. Totally.
However if I u...I totally agree with you. Totally.<br /><br />However if I understand what you are trying to say, the point you are trying to make is not supported by what actually happened. Quite the reverse.<br /><br />I suggest you go to the Planning Board site, read the documents, look at or read the transcripts and then form an opinion rather than sharing an uninformed opinion. <br /><br />If you do not want to bother with all that but want a taste of it, look at the May 2021 Planning Board meeting where Craig Haigh the Code Enforcement officer made a clear statement about the failure of the Verizon application to meet the Zoning requirements. <br /><br />After that, the "losers" did mobilize to force their opinion in ways that were at best - questionable. If you research all that went on you may find tht we were taken on a journey that swerved away from any relationship to a democratic process. <br /><br />Take the time, it is all there on the site.Michael Colberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17943330741970093217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-68740048613795972842021-06-26T08:10:00.391-04:002021-06-26T08:10:00.391-04:00Get out of here with those facts and science. We p...Get out of here with those facts and science. We prefer to cloak ourselves in socialism and paranoia in this town Union Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00202329176999159989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-74498870319091692572021-06-25T21:32:11.293-04:002021-06-25T21:32:11.293-04:00THE POINT -- democratic socialists and the "...THE POINT -- democratic socialists and the "good ole boys" both act exactly the same !! they make bad decisions. in the end they are all the same. <br /><br /><br /><br />j kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08669649380477390089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-4023221501323704602021-06-25T16:43:37.886-04:002021-06-25T16:43:37.886-04:00"Some people have expressed concern that livi..."Some people have expressed concern that living, working, or going to school near a cell phone tower might increase the risk of cancer or other health problems. At this time, there isn't a lot of evidence to support this idea. Still, more research is needed to be sure." https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/radiation-exposure/cellular-phone-towers.htmlChad Wecklerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15721057452000779552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-31595602936413932572021-06-25T15:27:17.814-04:002021-06-25T15:27:17.814-04:00As a 2nd Ward County Supervisor, I am personally w...As a 2nd Ward County Supervisor, I am personally worried if it's going be a health issue for the senior brothers and sisters who reside in 119 Columbia St. They are already suffering from lot of health problems. I spoke with lot of the residents and they are worried about it. Previously, I did email the Chairman of the planning board to notify this issue. I am requesting all of them, this plan should be revisited after doing proper research on the harmful effects of 5G EMF radiations.Abdus Miahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11782769748117832986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-29552122285260862552021-06-25T15:21:47.799-04:002021-06-25T15:21:47.799-04:00They didn't put it on a public building Bill. ...They didn't put it on a public building Bill. They made a deal with the owner. If a tenant in an apartment building doesn't want solar on the roof, but the owner does, guess what? MShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16383337895712738766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-32219009397104916882021-06-25T14:56:13.746-04:002021-06-25T14:56:13.746-04:00Where does it say they have to site based on neces...Where does it say they have to site based on necessity and not what works best for them? I believe the law only requires that they use demonstrably safe technologies and, when they do, and follow local zoning codes, they have what amounts to a statutory right to site where they believe suits their needs best. You're imputing on Verizon an obligation that the law does not. Don't like the law, change it. But don't fault a rational player for following the rules.John K. Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05658184081506566069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-25200966830902498532021-06-25T14:53:17.807-04:002021-06-25T14:53:17.807-04:00No, I don't live there. I live between a wate...No, I don't live there. I live between a water treatment plant and a state prison. On a truck route. Everybody bears some of the burden of infrastructure. While I do use water, I don't use prison -- so I have a large community of felons on my front doorstep. Sometimes I think you whine for the sake of whining. This is one of those times.John K. Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05658184081506566069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-73911142298561064542021-06-25T14:12:57.184-04:002021-06-25T14:12:57.184-04:00Hoping that Gossips will follow up with the specif...Hoping that Gossips will follow up with the specifics of the Verizon decision. They included various constraints and time frames. Would like to hear the details...peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15516536444700341403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-76876359504978075432021-06-25T13:19:07.310-04:002021-06-25T13:19:07.310-04:00What's also a bit of an outrage, is when a bus...What's also a bit of an outrage, is when a business follows the rules and the process, and after accommodations are made, and a vote taken according to correct democratic procedure, the losers try to mobilized to force their opinion by reversing a vote and overturning the democratic process. Maybe we should just keep voting on things over and over until the disgruntled folks with the loudest mouths get their way. That's democracy in action! P. Winslowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08273783030122540297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-29636098758436915702021-06-25T13:11:49.281-04:002021-06-25T13:11:49.281-04:00So now it's "socialists" siding with...So now it's "socialists" siding with corporations against the poor old folks? The same anti-business "socialists" who banned B&Bs, are trying to expand public housing and give money allocated to promote tourism to the youth department and other projects? Interesting theory, but highly unlikely. More likely a business made a deal with the owner of a building, approved with modifications after a lengthy period of public comment.P. Winslowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08273783030122540297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-5340071060366511422021-06-25T10:56:54.648-04:002021-06-25T10:56:54.648-04:00What I don't understand is why Verizon gets to...What I don't understand is why Verizon gets to do this. Shouldn't something like this be for the good of the commons? We are not all Verizon customers and some of us do our best to avoid giving them one penny. We don't all benefit from this. <br />So are T-Mobile, AT&T, and all the other carriers going to be petitioning the Planning Board with their ideas for cel towers all over Hudson to keep EVERYONE happy with 5G or whatever the latest soon-to-be-obsolete technology is? B HUSTONBILLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06165652134301551300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-49251340377028956492021-06-25T10:52:25.220-04:002021-06-25T10:52:25.220-04:00John - you make it sound as if Verizon had no othe...John - you make it sound as if Verizon had no other option than to install their equipment on the roof of a low-income/no-income apartment building. (Of course, you don't live there, do you?) C'mon man. Is that really what the residents of Providence Hall were demanding -- "high speed internet?" And demanding that it be put over their heads? Your argument is laughable, and coming from a lawyer it's embarrassing (and a few other things I won't mention). Or, at least you should be embarrassed by it. Bill HustonBILLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06165652134301551300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-78973806464165647922021-06-25T09:54:27.647-04:002021-06-25T09:54:27.647-04:00Hi John, As even their project manager reluctantly...Hi John, As even their project manager reluctantly acknowledged on camera John - were thatbuilding not to exist they would come up with an alternative solution. This emerged out of expediency not necessityMichael Colberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17943330741970093217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-49713938462090580182021-06-25T07:56:37.944-04:002021-06-25T07:56:37.944-04:00“We need high speed bandwidth” — just don’t make u...“We need high speed bandwidth” — just don’t make us pay for it. “We want good mobile service” — just so long as we don’t have to see the infrastructure. Gimme gimme gimme. But don’t ask me to pay.<br /><br />If you all are so upset and outraged I imagine you’ll be retiring your mobile devices in protest. Right? I didn’t think so. John K. Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05658184081506566069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-21350276806611432602021-06-24T23:46:17.852-04:002021-06-24T23:46:17.852-04:00It is an outrage that this equipment will be sited...It is an outrage that this equipment will be sited there. I agree with Colbert and Semchenko.Virginia Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11201120778619779181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-66823663256197407472021-06-24T22:45:50.801-04:002021-06-24T22:45:50.801-04:00Sad !Sad !Signe Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12183129751596868740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-82306894638940069382021-06-24T20:49:20.429-04:002021-06-24T20:49:20.429-04:00In the end, the Democratic Socialists want the mon...In the end, the Democratic Socialists want the money from the towers and the tenants be damned. <br /><br />the cell towers should not be on that building. it a cheap solution for Verizon and unhealthy one for those living beneath it. <br /><br />But who really cares on the Council ? <br /><br />j kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08669649380477390089noreply@blogger.com