tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post6146094208200203829..comments2024-03-28T17:55:31.180-04:00Comments on The Gossips of Rivertown: An Alarming PossibilityCarole Osterinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16010623982526286408noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-92061436774300767492013-03-12T17:16:28.535-04:002013-03-12T17:16:28.535-04:00Observer: Having been on the Board of Friends of H...Observer: Having been on the Board of Friends of Hudson during the SLC fight and having also spent 6 years on the Board of the Columbia County Historical Society, I can tell you from experience that there is a lot of competition in the County for a basically limited pool of charitable giving. <br /><br />One sees almost exactly the same crowd at benefit after benefit -- wherw ticket prices are going steadily higher by the way -- for one worthy group after another. And yes, of course there are wealthy people in the County, but that does not mean that they are going to support my cause instead of the other guy's. Some of the wealthiest New Yorkers for instance don't want to be bothered at all by anyone or anything in the County -- they come to CC to escape all that stuff and figure that their hefty property taxes are contribution enough.<br /><br />Churches with declining memberships and large old buildings are in an especially tough spot. How much of the amount required for the restoration has the congregation raised or pledged? Is there a master plan? What foundations or other groups have been approached? Has a proper Buildings Report been done? Can the national Presbyterian Church help at all? (I don't know the answers to these questions by the way but if I were going to be approached for a grant these are questions I'd ask). <br /><br />Another way to put it is that just because there are rich people around does not mean that they will write you a check.<br /><br />-- Jock SpivySamuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16548850334066788444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-65907652601442992902013-03-11T23:34:54.227-04:002013-03-11T23:34:54.227-04:00I have no issue with a temporary storm window, pro...I have no issue with a temporary storm window, provided that the original window is correctly and properly restored. Has the window not been facing Warren Street since 1837?<br /><br />I did not know that the van Ameringen family, which I assume @Vincent refers to, ranks among the top 4 richest US families. If so, a perfect way for Henry and Eric to use their new foundation to fund, in whole or in part, the $200K restoration. If not, like I said, there is a ton of money in Columbia County that could be sourced to accomplish this vital task. Just look at how much dough certain non-profits in Hudson and Columbia County raise on an annual basis.Observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07476845411516796463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-56786851574442848292013-03-11T19:13:01.252-04:002013-03-11T19:13:01.252-04:00Custom storm windows like I described are seen on ...Custom storm windows like I described are seen on the exterior of sacred sites world wide. $100k, $200k - whatever - nothing to sneeze at, for sure. The $30k "storm window" is a fantastic alternative to the present appearance until such time as fundraising activities can make a proper restoration possible. <br /><br />Kudos to the church and community for caring. Lets join together to find sensitive and appropriate solutions for this dilemma. The opponents of historic preservation exploit dissension as an opportunity to divide and conquer. Together we can preserve the fabric that defines the heritage of Hudson's built environment.Ward Hamiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14077951464866486246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-85266079196123718452013-03-11T12:56:16.281-04:002013-03-11T12:56:16.281-04:00A storm window is not cheesy.
Boarding it up like...A storm window is not cheesy.<br /><br />Boarding it up like it presently is is cheesy!<br /><br />Glad you think there are so many rich folk to cough up a measley $200K.<br /><br />The 4th richest family in the country owns around 70 of Hudsons Historic Properties at the moment. All that rich money is going into encouraging more poverty. Welcome to Hudson !<br />Vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05548912912359709568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-5042398827447012452013-03-11T12:08:52.172-04:002013-03-11T12:08:52.172-04:00There are plenty of rich people in and around Huds...There are plenty of rich people in and around Hudson who can contribute to the cost of the restoration of the church window, which, I recall is around $200K. The church needs to aggressively raise money from private citizens, foundations and perhaps, the state, to accomplish the task at hand. A storm window? That's just plain cheesy.Observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07476845411516796463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-85665756254469774172013-03-11T07:36:30.646-04:002013-03-11T07:36:30.646-04:00Sorry, I don't understand your reasoning. I h...Sorry, I don't understand your reasoning. I have storm windows.<br />Both interior and exterior. Nothing is blocked.<br /><br />The placement of the organ is another matter and has nothing to do with saving the window.Vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05548912912359709568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-10049434693662784182013-03-10T08:56:18.518-04:002013-03-10T08:56:18.518-04:00The beauty of a stained glass window lies in enjoy...The beauty of a stained glass window lies in enjoying the colors as light streams through. Sadly unless the church undergoes some major inside changes the window cannot be seen inside at all as hidden by the organ housing, the only place the see the window is outside and a storm window casing would then hide it from the outside too. Any replacement needs to consider how and where the window will be seen.Mesvalatiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025075990693743764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-88864164106186344132013-03-10T08:19:58.546-04:002013-03-10T08:19:58.546-04:00Exactly !
Make a storm window to protect the orig...Exactly !<br /><br />Make a storm window to protect the original.<br /><br />Simple<br /><br />next question ?Vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05548912912359709568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-21521157442561344172013-03-09T20:36:00.305-05:002013-03-09T20:36:00.305-05:00Good idea but sadly, Prison Alley, I fear there ar...Good idea but sadly, Prison Alley, I fear there are likely to be Church vs State issues in any government funding or grants to the Presbyterian Church. This was a problem when the Dutch Reform Church in Kinderhook looked to the government for help in maintaining their cemetery where Martin Van Buren is buried.<br /><br />The New York Landmarks Conservancy has a program called Sacred Sites that assists churches of all sorts with maintenance of historic buildings. I believe churches in Columbia County have received grants from them in the past.<br /><br />Here is their web site:<br /><br />http://www.nylandmarks.org/programs_services/grants/sacred_sites_program/<br /><br />-- Jock SpivySamuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16548850334066788444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-21580621605438935142013-03-09T17:35:15.929-05:002013-03-09T17:35:15.929-05:00Yes , I agree .with Dini and Windle, 100 %. W.Ham...Yes , I agree .with Dini and Windle, 100 %. W.Hamilton above has just<br />brought up a very good solution. Why this rush.? As Samuel seems<br /> to suggest , if they can't afford to fix the Historic window...how are they planning to pay for a new one of that magnitude.<br /><br />$200,000 in the scheme of things, when I see what this City wastes so<br />much of our money on, seems not that much. Hudson resurgence is<br /> dependent on its charm ,history and beauty of its Architecture,.<br /> <br />There are economic reasons, if nothing else, not to destroy this, systematically.<br /><br />I would certainly like to see my property taxes going towards <br />an emergency fund or loans, for something ,like saving this window,<br /> than where I am painfully aware my taxes are thrown away on, on a regular <br />basis.Prison Alleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059050028975347899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-1141568619251592962013-03-09T14:51:24.614-05:002013-03-09T14:51:24.614-05:00The window has to be saved.
If that means it stays...The window has to be saved.<br />If that means it stays boarded up until funds are available then so be it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-19426764623139566992013-03-09T14:03:08.986-05:002013-03-09T14:03:08.986-05:00Not certain what you're suggesting, Carole. Ca...Not certain what you're suggesting, Carole. Can the small congregation afford to restore the window and maintain the large church? <br /><br />If not then what are the options? Is a new window an impossible idea if the old one can't survive? How much does a new window cost?<br /><br />-- Jock SpivySamuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16548850334066788444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-61855465499505292522013-03-09T12:56:44.615-05:002013-03-09T12:56:44.615-05:00Re old windows: I'm currently preparing histo...Re old windows: I'm currently preparing historic building preservation plans for a municipality in Massachusetts. One of the three buildings is their town hall. While assessing the window conditions and creating a schedule, one town employee after another bemoaned the mid-nineteenth century windows and need for replacement. <br /><br />In one office after another I opened the unlocked sash letting in the February chill, closed the storms properly, and locked the sash at the meeting rails. I left there thoroughly hated. But a week later the reception was quite different: Nobody could believe how warm it was in Town Hall--sweaters stayed on seat backs--what had I done to the windows? <br /><br />Re the church window: It would seem that a custom-made "storm window," even in three vertically-separated sections, covering part of the tracery and wood frame, would be a better option. It could be designed with non-visible weep holes and vents to minimize the effects of condensation (probably a non-issue on the northern elevation anyway, especially if the sanctuary is unheated Mon-Sat in the winter.) Voila! Wind loads eliminated and window preserved. Far less than the numbers being thrown around. Maybe $30k?Ward Hamiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14077951464866486246noreply@blogger.com