tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post662797534454181308..comments2024-03-28T11:21:19.200-04:00Comments on The Gossips of Rivertown: The Church, the Garden, and the HPCCarole Osterinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16010623982526286408noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-13807512238725480832017-06-06T07:15:08.041-04:002017-06-06T07:15:08.041-04:00That's a valid point regarding process. Howev...That's a valid point regarding process. However, as we are all often reminded, Hudson is two square miles with a consistently declining population and an active, vocal segment of that population for whom historic preservation IS their focus, their passion, dare I say, their religion. It's unlikely that in the cases Carole presented in this post regarding the other houses of worship, that the alterations were started and completed in the dark hours between midnight and 4AM. People saw what was going on, and perhaps both documented and reported the "unauthorized" alterations.<br /><br />So, where is the redress in those situations? And why is the fence at Saint Mary's under more laser-like scrutiny than redress of the other two houses of worship?<br /><br />And as far as supporters turning out on a weekday, mid-morning meeting, that in and of itself speaks of elitism on the part of the committee. People with regular jobs can't just walk into the boss's office and say, "Oh, I'm off to a Historic Preservation Committee meeting."<br /><br />My prediction of the outcome: Saint Mary's will be forced to abide by the law in a way no other house of worship in Hudson has been required to, while also being coerced into genuflecting at the altar of historic preservation.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13904744235071178921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-38982896942093671662017-06-05T20:52:54.505-04:002017-06-05T20:52:54.505-04:00I believe the point is that HPC did not have the o...I believe the point is that HPC did not have the opportunity to review the earlier projects because the former Code Enforcement Officer did not refer them to the HPC as he was supposed to. That was the "governance by personality". The HPC reviews the projects that are sent to it by the Code Enforcement Office. .https://www.blogger.com/profile/12751590209602226603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-38700738304647679862017-06-04T08:25:51.533-04:002017-06-04T08:25:51.533-04:00Agreed, Leonardo. Governance by personality is a ...Agreed, Leonardo. Governance by personality is a tried-and-true practice in Hudson (and elsewhere). It's kind of baked in to our democracy: if you don't like me, vote me out! But there is a law in New York, little known because it's rarely followed or enforced, Section 78 of the Civil Practice Law & Rules (CPLR) is meant to soften some of the excesses of that governance-by-personality by ordering governmental bodies to implement and enforce laws in a consistent manner. What Carole's reporting seems to suggest is that the HPC has not done that. Peter Meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12627451247693034161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-60933138698658120042017-06-04T06:10:36.279-04:002017-06-04T06:10:36.279-04:00Nothing Mr. Meyer or I wrote was personal, by a lo...Nothing Mr. Meyer or I wrote was personal, by a long shot. And if I am incorrect about the unequal application of the law, and how it has been pursued previously, and how vigorously it is being pursued now, with regards to Saint Mary's, which I know from being a long time reader of TGOR is NOT Hudson's "most beloved church", then please explain how I am wrong. Nothing personal here, just the facts as to how the law has been applied.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13904744235071178921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-74591795812508446372017-06-03T18:28:44.325-04:002017-06-03T18:28:44.325-04:00Don't know why this HPC story has to be person...Don't know why this HPC story has to be personal... good vs bad ... then we're all accomplices. leonardo siderihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238144897574760385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-7223228875350696162017-06-02T20:24:25.674-04:002017-06-02T20:24:25.674-04:00Yes Mr. Meyer, based on Carole's reporting, it...Yes Mr. Meyer, based on Carole's reporting, it clearly looks like there is an unequal application of the law, and frankly selective enforcement. And just because there were different Code Enforcement Officers at different points in history shouldn't matter. Either the law is the law, or it isn't. Either EVERY house of worship is subject to the same law, or EVERY house of worship gets a pass.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13904744235071178921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-21559789142807037502017-06-02T17:03:53.518-04:002017-06-02T17:03:53.518-04:00So is "viewscape" a second cousin of vie...So is "viewscape" a second cousin of viewshed? And are either one in the applicable law? Also, given the previous actions and inactions of the Code Enforcement office and HPC, as mentioned by Gossips, the current questioning of St. Mary's looks a tad bit like harassment. Peter Meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12627451247693034161noreply@blogger.com