tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post7611062984962429966..comments2024-03-28T14:37:17.081-04:00Comments on The Gossips of Rivertown: What About the Furgary?Carole Osterinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16010623982526286408noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-84513636845871206322015-05-17T21:32:23.525-04:002015-05-17T21:32:23.525-04:00San Francisco Dock Suckers!!San Francisco Dock Suckers!!1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-59175816193351436672015-05-16T12:50:01.632-04:002015-05-16T12:50:01.632-04:00"Moore cautioned that it would be expensive t..."Moore cautioned that it would be expensive to preserve one of the shacks and spoke of "parkland interests"<br /><br />Until the council intervened thirty years ago, the area was well (without cost to taxpayers) maintained by the Navigators that gathered there.<br /><br />Now Mr. Moore wonders how to acquire funding without state or federal agency involvement in the project, which will trigger a SHPO investigation and finding? Ponderous!<br /><br />Furthermore, if one starts with a presumption of liberty, since when is it incumbent upon the citizen to proactively defend our access to nature, a natural right? Defending our liberty, isn't that the council's sworn duty? <br /><br />1 Riparian1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-69789872447398903822015-05-15T18:25:13.072-04:002015-05-15T18:25:13.072-04:00"Alderman Rick Rector (First Ward) suggested ..."Alderman Rick Rector (First Ward) suggested that if there was interest in keeping one of the shacks to be used as a kiosk or public facility or for kayak rental,"<br /><br />Does the council propose to allow commercial use where recreational use is restricted?<br /><br />1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-44534713711855823012015-05-14T10:19:21.092-04:002015-05-14T10:19:21.092-04:00Belated thanks for your research on this. Belated thanks for your research on this. Debby Mayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12708345568234342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-943244146157366452015-05-12T20:11:22.738-04:002015-05-12T20:11:22.738-04:00Interesting state we live in. Only in New York can...Interesting state we live in. Only in New York can our "servants" debate for three years, and the best they can come up with, less use, Moore tax. 1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-7320531685976073422015-05-12T15:18:48.491-04:002015-05-12T15:18:48.491-04:00The U.S. Supreme Court has consistently ruled that...The U.S. Supreme Court has consistently ruled that rivers that are physically navigable are legally navigable for purposes of state ownership ("state title"). On such rivers, in any state, the riverbed and banks are state land, held in trust for the public for navigation, fishing, and other non-destructive visits. - See more at: http://www.nationalrivers.org/river-law-and-public-rights.html#sthash.dq5OSbh7.dpuf<br /><br />The Tin Boat Fishermen can't be "faulted" for providing a public service that the City of Hudson is (either) unable or unwilling to provide for them. 1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-2554021329277025422015-05-12T14:33:17.035-04:002015-05-12T14:33:17.035-04:00Also of interest, this post's second photo dow...Also of interest, this post's second photo down of the stand-alone shacks on poles shows the site of the planned outfall for 242 million gallons a year of unfiltered city runoff. <br /><br />The effluent will exit the pipe at the bottom left corner of the photograph.<br /><br />The city's position is that the planned action will only take place at the site where a new and large sewer main will replace an 18" dormant pipe, which they call "like for like." Anyway, that's their rationale for claiming that no wetlands can possibly be affected by the sewer separation<br /><br />The aldermen are being totally disingenuous. Thank goodness for the above photograph, which shows people what certainly will be impacted by the city's foolhardy plan: a wetlands!unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-5305501514072820652015-05-12T14:28:18.690-04:002015-05-12T14:28:18.690-04:00why do i pay taxes to a city that spends the money...why do i pay taxes to a city that spends the money in an effort to keep me off of public property in disguised attempt at putting someone else on the public property?...michael lesawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13283350595244628737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-59529461243315884922015-05-12T13:33:37.938-04:002015-05-12T13:33:37.938-04:00For our waterfront council from the NOR:
The cour...For our waterfront council from the NOR:<br /><br />The courts have also ruled that this land below the ordinary high water mark is not simply "state land," subject to use, abuse, or closure by state agencies. Since it is "held in trust for the public," the state, as holder of the trust, cannot do things with the land that conflict with public navigation and recreation. - See more at: http://www.nationalrivers.org/river-law-and-public-rights.html#sthash.Okj08znD.dpuf<br /><br />This means the city can't promote land uses that block access to Navigation.<br /><br />1 Riparian1Riparianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17248602693560230557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-35873984345829567692015-05-12T12:44:04.798-04:002015-05-12T12:44:04.798-04:002.
It's also astounding how many aldermen (a...2. <br /><br />It's also astounding how many aldermen (all?) are still so ignorant about the tidal pull beneath the train trestle that they simply assume the site is appropriate for a canoe/kayak launch. <br /><br />This is the fault of the Columbia Land Conservancy's flawed Master Concept Plan, which never considered public water-safety issues before recommending the site for small craft.<br /><br />Not only did the Master Plan suffer from zero public input, but last year the CLC refused to meet alone with Hudson residents who wished to discuss the plan with them. The CLC's unshakable condition for a meeting was that city officials be present. I replied that that rather defeated the purpose of the meeting. <br /><br />The unnecessary refusal of this alleged conservation organization to meet us alone onsite arguably helped conceal the CLC's unforgivable neglect of public safety. <br /><br />Recall that the plan was financed by the Athens Generating settlement, and that last May the city entered into a formal agreement with Columbia County to begin implementation of the plan.<br /><br />Going by the assumptions of various aldermen last night, by refusing to hear the public's unobstructed comments on the Concept Master Plan the incompetent CLC finds itself in collusion with the worst (or dumbest) aspects of city government.<br /><br />The CLC's unattractive style of concealing its incompetence is to act haughtily, but don't be fooled!<br /><br />When the Concept Master Plan was drafted in 2009, the CLC didn't even know that the North Bay property they manage was already a National Audubon Society "Important Bird Area" since 2004.<br /><br />A ship of fools.<br />unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723709701684173708.post-55171016574751528782015-05-12T12:43:01.843-04:002015-05-12T12:43:01.843-04:001
In several instances, the people who'd like...1<br /><br />In several instances, the people who'd like to "rip 'em down" are related by blood to the erstwhile denizens of Furgary. <br /><br />A surprising number of Hudson's politicians and officials attended high school with members of the North Dock Tin Boat Association, the group which brought an eminently reasonable adverse possession claim against the descendants of the city's proprietors. <br /><br />The NDTBA's challenge was inadvertently supported by the incompetent Crawford Engineering firm. It was their map of the site which was prepared for the city that the state Supreme Court later judged to be incorrect in its most important detail. Nevertheless, this flawed map remains the official map of the equally incompetent State of New York (see NYSOGS, Map no. 2322).<br /><br />Only by knowing this local history of embarrassment and resentment can the hypocritical disgust of the city's Corporate Counsel make sense (he was also a schoolmate of the latter-day Furgarians). <br /><br />Today's Register Star quotes Mr. Whitbeck exclaiming last night that “All the people were squatters ...They had no right to be there."<br /><br />The next sentence explains his hypocrisy, seeing as "the [Furgary] property was acquired by the city from the state of New York in exchange for the land on which the sewer treatment plant sits." <br /><br />Translation: the city built its waste water treatment plant on state land! The city was the squatter!!<br /><br />It is this deep sense of local shame which seeks to obliterate every memory of "the shacks" - what the camps were called a century before someone coined "Furgary" and "Fugary."<br /><br />Send those bums down the memory hole as quick as a wink!<br />unheimlichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204285837938988668noreply@blogger.com