The Planning Board meeting on Tuesday went on for 4 hours and 20 minutes. Considering that the meeting started at 6:30, it was 10 minutes shy of 11:00 p.m. when the meeting ended. One of the most interesting and possibly alarming segments of the meeting took place more than three hours in, when the plans for 10-12 Warren Street were presented to the Planning Board.
The plan for converting the building into a 27-room hotel, with no restaurant, involves demolishing two wings at the back of the building and constructing a new three-story addition at the rear.
There would be a landscaped courtyard between the original building and the new addition.
Planning Board member Gini Casasco expressed concern about "overbuilding" (the zoning in this part of the city allows 100 percent lot coverage) and about "multiple hotels in the area." Wm. Farmer and Sons, a little more than a block away on Front Street, has 15 guest rooms, and Hudson Mariner, just up the street at 26 Warren Street, has 5 guest suites. Later Casasco asked, "How many hotels do we need?"
In answer to that question, Gossips looks back at history. In 1905, according to the New York Census for that year, the population of Hudson was 10,290. The Hudson city directory for 1905 lists 25 hotels in the city. Here are their names and locations:
- Adirondack Hotel, Diamond (now Columbia) and Third Streets
- Albany Hotel, 28 South Front Street
- Barry David, Fountain Head
- City Hall Place, 330 Warren Street
- City Hotel, southeast corner of Allen and Front Streets
- Commercial House, Ferry Street
- Curtiss House, northeast corner of Allen and Front Streets
- Everett House, 705 Warren Street
- Farmers' Hotel, Park Place
- Fifth Ward Hotel, 624 Warren Street
- Franklin Square Hotel, 42 South Front Street
- Germania Hotel, 33-35 South Front Street
- Hotel Central, Warren and South Fifth Streets
- Hotel Lincoln, 309-311 Warren Street
- Hotel Portland, 31 Warren Street
- Hudson House, Ferry Street opposite Franklin Square
- McGraw, Timothy, Jr., 22-24 North Second Street
- Mansion House, 332-334 Diamond (now Columbia) Street
- New York Hotel, 260 Warren Street
- Russian Hotel, 39 South Front Street
- St. Charles Hotel, 737 Columbia Street
- Stevens House, 420 Diamond (now Columbia) Street
- The Worth, 213-219 Warren Street
- The Troy, 11 North Fourth Street
- Winslow Horace, 453 State Street
Today, with a population of 5,894, according to the 2020 census, Hudson has seven hotels:
- The Wick, 41 Cross Street
- Wm. Farmer and Sons, 20 South Front Street
- Hudson Mariner, 26 Warren Street
- The Maker, 302 Warren Street
- Hudson Whaler, 542 Warren Street
- Rivertown Lodge, 731 Warren Street
- St. Charles Hotel, 16 Park Place
- Hudson House, 620 Union Street
- Hudson Hotel, 601 Union Street
- Pocketbook Hudson, 549 Washington Street
- Hudson Public, Warren and North Fourth streets
At one point in the discussion, Chatham defended the location of the proposed hotel by saying, "If you want to organize your city, put your hotels where the train station is." Interestingly, in 1905, eight of the 25 hotels in Hudson--Albany Hotel, City Hotel, Commercial House, Curtiss House, Germania Hotel, Hudson House, Russian Hotel, and Franklin Square--were located within a block and a half of the train station.
Several times during the discussion on Tuesday night, Victoria Polidoro, legal counsel to the Planning Board, reminded the members that if the zoning law allows the use, they cannot question it. She responded to Casasco's question "How many hotels do we need?" by saying, "That's not something the Planning Board has control over." Casasco, however, was not to be deterred, suggesting that there should be a moratorium on development until a new comprehensive plan was completed and new zoning was in place. Joyner called for a committee to look into the zoning and decide on the one thing they wanted to "go after." Apparently a committee was formed, but it is not clear who will serve on this committee.
Seeming somewhat dumbfounded, Chatham told the board, "This is a modest little project. This is not the place to draw the line." Joyner, however, assured him, "This discussion is not going to stop us from going ahead on this project."
The video of the meeting can be found here. The discussion of this project begins at 3:15:02 and ends at 3:55:15.
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I think the consideration is not how many establishments, but how many rooms. Add to the hotel list rooms offered in short stay residence arrangements…. Bed and breakfast, Air bnb, etc.
ReplyDeleteThis is the ideal location for another hotel and NOT for permanent residents since there is more than enough available parking all the time on that first block of Warren! Just ask County head honcho Matt Murrell and County Engineer Ray Jurkowski , two guys who don't live in Hudson but claim to know what is going on in, and what is best for, downtown Hudson. I have no doubt they would give the thumbs to a hotel across from 11 Warren. The more cars parked on Warren, the merrier, they would say!
ReplyDeleteHear hear!
DeleteMakes more sense to put a hotel at 10-12 Warren Street than 2 hotels almost opposite each other at 601 and 620 Union Street. Also, isn't there an Amelia Hotel on Allen Street?
ReplyDeleteYou're right. There is the Amelia Hotel on Allen Street. I considered including it but didn't because it transitioned from B&B to calling itself a hotel without ever going before the Planning Board, and also because I get the sense, although I could be wrong, that it's being operated more or less as the guest house for a wedding venue across the river.
DeleteIMHO, a Planning Board that thinks it's a great idea to site a gravel dump and industrial truck route next to a waterfront park has marginalized itself as an arbiter of what's good for Hudson.
ReplyDeleteYour opinion notwithstanding, the PB is not a policy making body. It’s a policy enforcement body. The last time these yahoos disregarded counsel’s advice it cost the City plenty (Verizon, anyone?). The mayor — if he was doing his job — would relieve Joyner who, clearly, is either too stupid for the job or too stubborn to learn a lesson. I guess as long as she’s not getting in his boss Galloway!s path whatever she does is ok with the mayor. If the PB would limit its efforts to enforcing the zoning code (their only job) perhaps we wouldn’t have such a backlog of applications. And if Ms. Joyner could do her job as chair, perhaps the meetings wouldn’t be so epically long, boring and pointless.
DeleteJohn,
ReplyDelete"The "Planning Board" has that name for a reason. It's responsibilities go way beyond just superficial site plan reviews. They are charged with using the Comprehensive Plan, the LWRP, and other relevant documents to make judgements about whether a project fits the broader vision of the City. Just because a proposed project fits within the zoning code does not mean that it enjoys automatic approval. The Planning Board gets input from their engineering firm, the citizens, and in some cases, outside agencies from NYS. Their job is to weigh the various inputs that they receive and come to a determination that is in the best interest of the City. In the case of the gravel dump and truck route on the waterfront, they failed miserably.
You’re wrong there, Peter. If a plan is as of right then they can only ask about ancillary issues that may be affected by a comprehensive plan or a strategic plan or damn near any plan adopted by the council. But it’s the council that makes policy. Not the PB. They may and often do suck at their job but that’s what their job is.
DeleteHudson is now a tourist destination. Everyone must know that there are not many decent paying jobs in the area. No matter what would have been developed at 11 Warren Street, parking would still have been a major concern. Welcome to the new Hudson, this is what people wanted
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