Spenser Walsh's article in the Register-Star about Wednesday night's special Planning Board meeting has a strangely sanguine headline: "Hudson board, Bliss developers resolve differences after tense meeting." The title doesn't quite gibe with what Gossips observed happening.
One of the goals of the meeting, as defined by Planning Board chair Ron Bogle, was to "close the loop on the public hearing." There were more than 300 comments from the public, to which the applicant responded with 225 pages of information.
To facilitate the board's discussion of the project, Bogle proposed a "round robin." Board members would take turns asking questions of the applicant, uninterrupted by other members of the board. The only board member who had difficulty adhering to that format was Sara Black, who twice interrupted when it was Peter Spear's turn to ask questions and get answers from the applicant.
Nathan Woodhull was first to pose questions. Woodhull, who formerly served on the Conservation Advisory Council and is now the liaison between the Planning Board and the CAC, expressed concern about trees, particularly along the border between HHA property and Schuyler Court. Constructing Building A and creating a parking lot extending from Columbia Street and to State Street along the border with Schuyler Court involves eliminating a number of mature trees.
Woodhull also asked about sustainability, LEED certification, and the risk that Phase 2 may not happen in a timely fashion. The demolition of Bliss Towers and Columbia Apartments is currently part of Phase 2.
Responding to the concerns about demolition and phasing, John Madeo of Mountco said they could bifurcate the demolition from Phase 2, but if they cannot get financing to demolish the buildings, they will fold the demolition into the cost of Phase 2.
When it was Peter Spear's turn to ask questions, he returned to the topic of number of entrances to the buildings, particularly Building B, to be constructed along the north side of State Street.
Residents access the buildings directly from public sidewalks, pedestrian paths, and landscaped open spaces, with multiple street‑level entrances distributed across each building. Rather than concentrating circulation into a single centralized lobby, entrances are organized to serve smaller residential groupings, so each entry supports a limited number of units. This approach reinforces a neighborhood-scaled residential character and allows residents to enter their homes close to the street or open space, much like traditional walk‑up and small shared-entry buildings found throughout Hudson.
Currently, the plans for the buildings have a single entrance leading to what Spear characterized as an "institutional lobby." At the September 8 meeting of the Planning Board, when Spear bought up the issue, he was told by Alex Gorlin, principal of the architectural firm that designed the project, that the change was based "entirely on security." At last week's meeting, Spear wanted to know what the advantages were of having a large institutional lobby.
Responding to Spear's questioning, John Furst, attorney for the project, referred to the passage Spear referenced as an inconsistency, noting that the same document describes what they are proposing now. Furst maintained they had never proposed multiple entrances and multiple lobbies, asserting that the elevations presented had never changed. Spear challenged the notion that the statement he referenced was an inconsistency, saying, "It's not an inconsistent description. It's a description of a different building. . . . You abandoned something that was more human for something that was institutional, and that troubles me."
Pressed for an answer, Furst admitted the information about entrances and "neighborhood-scaled residential character" was an attempt to align the project with the city's comprehensive plan, because, "There are sentences in the comprehensive plan that support that." The information submitted in May was responding to questions about how "the proposed development relates to Hudson's scale, character, and public realm" and how it aligns with the comprehensive plan. Having exposed what might be seen as a deliberate attempt to misrepresent the project to make it seem more compatible with the character of Hudson and with the goals of the comprehensive plan, Furst tried to trivialize the situation by telling Spear, "I apologize. You got us. We made a mistake. If you're looking for an aha, gotcha moment, you got me. Congratulations." The entire interchange between Spear and Furst can be viewed here, beginning at 49:00.
Later on the meeting, when Bogle asked if there could be separate entrances for the ground floor apartments, he was told by Daralynn Wiener, project manager for Aufgang Architects, a second architectural firm involved with the project, "We have to treat everyone in the building equally."
Spear also raised the issue of "right to return," which he indicated some people thought applied to anyone who had lived in Hudson and moved away because of a shortage of affordable housing. Strictly speaking "right to return" applies to people who had lived in public housing and were relocated during the construction of new public housing. Since everyone currently living in Bliss Towers and Columbia Apartments will be relocated to one of the new buildings before the existing buildings are demolished, the concept of "right of return" does not apply. Madeo, however, said they could create a preference for people who used to live in Hudson, but the state would determine what preferences can be imposed.
In her questions, Veronica Concra focused on vibration monitoring, wanting to understand how it would be carried out. She was told by the project engineer that construction always creates vibration. The plan that he then described involves a construction assessment of nearby buildings, with inspectors entering the buildings to assess the current condition so that claims of damage from vibration can be substantiated; vibration monitors throughout the site; and a plan to repair buildings that might be damaged by the vibration.
In his comments, Bogle said he was having trouble connecting the design proposed with the words "human scale" and "human experience," asking, "What are we creating along State Street that gives people a place to go? What is interesting when you walk along State Street and where are you going? How do people experience outdoors?" He indicated that he wanted to have that conversation at the Planning Board's next meeting on October 13.
Bogle also mentioned retail spaces and spaces for not-for-profits that were talked about early on. Madeo said the plans that were submitted to the Planning Board never included retail space, but he did acknowledge that retail was once a part of the plan. He said they at one point had a potential retail tenant--a green grocer--but that fell through, so they decided not to risk creating retail space and having no tenants and chose to use the ground floor for additional dwelling units.
Bogle suggested that, because the board had received "many plans, drawings, narratives, responses, revisions, and supporting documents" over the course of the review, HHA should assemble, before the Planning Board's next meeting on October 13, a "final, organized application package that clearly documents the project we're being asked to approve." He suggested the package should include "an index identifying the current plans and drawings that together constitute the proposed project" and "a detailed narrative describing the architectural and site design features of the final proposal." He suggested the narrative should describe "the significant elements of the buildings and the site," including:
- building massing and facade articulation
- entrances and ground-floor treatment
- materials, colors, and finishes
- the relationship of the buildings to the street and pedestrian environment
- landscaping and public spaces
- rooftop and mechanical screening
- other architectural and site design features HHA believes are important to the character and compatibility of the project
He added, "For Building B in particular, the narrative should identify the physical features HHA is relying on to create the smaller scale architectural character and pedestrian experience that have been described during this review."
Needless to say, Furst, the attorney for the project, objected to the request. Surprisingly, however, Bogle's proposal got little support from members of the Planning Board. In the face of objections, Andrew Clark, attorney for the Planning Board, stated, "It's not a herculean undertaking of creating some new document. It's what's already before this board. It's just to bring it front and center to make it simple and efficient."
Elaborating on his request and his reasons for making it, Bogle told the board:
We don't have defensible plans that say, "This is what these buildings are going to look like." We have some renderings, but renderings are--well, we used to call them "eye candy," and that's not an insult. It's just that they're made to look pretty and to be exciting, but they aren't construction documents that show what the materials are and what it's actually going to look like. And I think it would be helpful for us to have some kind of guideline that is kind of framing the ultimate appearance of the buildings, and, in my opinion, we shouldn't vote on the site plan just based on some renderings in terms of the aesthetic and the nature of the community character. I think we need something a little more tangible.
To Gossips' knowledge, these are all the renderings showing the project as it is currently being proposed that have been presented to the Planning Board. All of them assume the completion of Phase 2.
At this point, Jeffrey Dodson, HHA executive director, interrupted the proceedings and rose to say:
Do you know how frustrating this is to live in a building or work in a building where it is a detriment to people? We're going through this circus activity. Are you serious? People's lives are at stake, and I've held my composure for the most. Like this is an urgent issue. Why doesn't anybody else understand that? It's that critical.
When Bogle asked him to sit down, Dodson stormed out of the room and out of the building.
The meeting adjourned for a ten-minute break, after which Bogle stressed that his request would not postpone a final vote. It seems in the end Madeo agreed to put the suggested package together.
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1. re: "The only board member who had difficulty adhering to that format was Sara Black, who twice interrupted"
ReplyDeleteThis is because Ms. Black is not independent, as a very recent fiduciary (commissioner) of the applicant (HHA), and clearly tainting the board and influencing the time-table.
2. re: "vibration monitors, throughout the site; and a plan to repair buildings that might be damaged by the vibration."
Is this normal?
Why not just NOT damage the other buildings in the first place?
3. Is this the first time that the applicant, the man who in his own words said
"There’s nobody more qualified to make a decision. Period. Nobody.”
...stormed out of a Planning Board meeting?
Not in response to ad hominem.
Not in response to unfair treatment.
Not in response to physical assault or verbal threats...
or even a genuine "hard look" at any of the unexplained gaps in the record...
but because the umpire asked him to create a summary document (that would not delay the timeline set by Sara Black and the HCR funders in Albany) that simply irons out inconsistencies so that the PB can deliberate on shared facts.
Bogle and Spears hit a nerve. Keep drilling fellows — you’re on the right path when you get the shills upset at hearing their own words. It reminds me of a book about the first Bush presidency entitled “Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them.” If Dodson was any more full of shit he’d be a public health emergency. If the issues are so dire perhaps the HHA Board might pull their voluminous shit together and wire it tight.
ReplyDeleteThe idea that this project is so urgent that it has to be pushed through because "people's lives are at stake" is unacceptable. If the conditions at Bliss Towers are that bad, it's due to the mismanagement and poor maintenance of the HHA. That doesn't mean the community should be pressured into accepting this redevelopment plan without considering the consequences.
ReplyDeleteToxic dust, fumes, noise, traffic, and the potential for vibration damage from installing hundreds of stone columns are temporary construction impacts. Bringing several hundred additional residents into a densely developed part of the city, along with the associated cars, buses, taxis, service vehicles, garbage trucks, and emergency traffic, is a permanent change. The scattered site housing strategy was supposed to move away from concentrating so many people in one location. This proposal is inconsistent with that goal.
More sensible than another large concentration of apartments, would be a smaller scale development of two and three story townhouses and homes for the current residents and their families, surrounded by gardens, playgrounds, and trees. A separate building could house management and community facilities. For residents capable, a well designed rent to own program could provide a path from tenancy to ownership. That would address the housing needs of the current residents while creating a more sustainable, integrated neighborhood. Replacing one large public housing complex with another even larger one is regressive and will have permanent negative impacts on the neighborhood.
Where in Hudson’s 2 square miles do you (or any like-minded reader(s)) propose to site all of these new two- and three/story buildings surrounded by gardens, playgrounds, and trees, with the caveat that they can’t be that proximate due to the city’s scattered-site preference?
DeleteThere is a lot to criticize about this project, but this specific lament, which has been voiced multiple times by multiple residents, and the attendant alternative suggestions consistently strike utopian (read: never gonna happen) tones.
There’s a 12 acre lot at the end of Hudson Ave that would be perfect for scattered housing.
DeleteIndeed Kristal, and that lot is in the 1st Ward, which can do with more density.
DeleteSee also all the many parcels identified in the 2018 "Strategic Housing Action Plan"
BTW, is there a law that says no public or subsidized housing can be built in better school districts in this County, or in Greenport?
I don’t believe scattered site housing means a few buildings strewn across one 12 acre lot.
DeleteI don't think I suggested a few buildings strewn across one 12 acre lot. But keep trying to think as narrowly as possible. That's super helpful.
DeleteYou characterized a single lot as perfect for “scattered housing”. I don’t understand how one lot = scattered site. If you want to go ahead and add another half dozen lots to that list, now we’re talking.
DeleteMore broadly, I find the conversation about siting affordable housing in Hudson specious at best and in bad faith at its most likely. “Why are we doing X when we should be doing Y” is a tried (and tired) strategy of housing obstructionists everywhere. “Of course we need housing, but not like this, not here”.
Some reference the Pattern for Progress Affordable Housing Development Plan as what we should be doing. Great! Who would like to champion this proposal, sited adjacent to Olde Hudson on land owned by Galvan/Bard (that some residents use as a de facto dog park):
“15 2-Bedroom homeownership
condominium units for households with
incomes at 70-110% AMI under the HCR
Small Building Homeownership Program.
It is recommended the scale of the project
remain consistent with the neighborhood in
terms of height and density.”
In a city where any new build in a historic district generates pearl-clutching articles.
Michael B. -- honestly? Whether it's a single, 12-acre lot, or a set of contiguous lots comprising 12 acres, there are subdivision and consolidation actions that a developer or developers can utilize to make the overall site amenable to development. And so can the City Council (if work were something its members didn't shy away from).
DeleteMichael B., a collection of two-story townhouses in a well-landscaped setting, with a separate management and community center, isn't scattered site housing, it's an alternative to large urban apartment buildings. It's also not a utopian concept, variations of this model have been implemented in other places. Scattered site housing is something different, but it appears that approach has already been discarded in favor of the urban apartment model.
DeleteThis is also being discussed as if there is some mandate or requirement for Hudson to build more low income housing. It's a voluntary choice, not a mandate. Hudson already has approximately 16.5% of its housing stock classified as subsidized/supportive housing. The proposed redevelopment would increase it to roughly 20%, while concentrating the increase in one part of the city. In the Second Ward, approximately 49% of the housing is already subsidized or affordable; the full Bliss redevelopment could push that figure to roughly 57%.
If hundreds of millions of dollars are being invested in rebuilding public housing, it's reasonable to ask whether enlarging the existing concentration is the best long-term model for the current residents, the neighborhood, and the city. Everyone agrees that the costs of living, taxes and rents are much to high. Spending massive amounts of money to import new residents might make advocates feel good, but it does nothing to address that problem.
John - that is both true and not what scattered site means. Scattered site means dispersing these units throughout the city. Subdividing one lot is not the same. (I do agree that the 12 acre lot is a good start)
DeleteIn a city this small, there are only so many buildable lots with friendly owner situations.
How many of them should be handed over to HHA?
Slow Art - I worked in affordable housing for 45 years. I understand the concepts.
DeletePerhaps Hudson is building more affordable housing because the people who work at the local businesses can’t afford to live here. Perhaps it’s because we lost a number of multifamily rentals to single-family conversions over the last decade or so. Perhaps it’s because second home owners and buyers keep reducing the potential supply of housing. Perhaps it’s because our largest property owner preferred to keep large properties vacant for a decade.
Why do you think it’s more important to keep the subsidized housing inventory below an arbitrary proportion than it is to support housing opportunities for people who work in Hudson’s restaurants, shops, classrooms, etc.?
What if I told you that 20% was the floor, not the ceiling, of what housing practitioners consider a healthy proportion of subsidized rentals in a given community?
Handed over? None. Sold -- that's up the owners.
DeleteAll well and good, it's a matter of where and how you do it. Cramming it all in one neighborhood and turning State Street into a major commuter thoroughfare is a bad idea. If they stuck to the original plan, extended 1st Street and ended State at 2nd I'd be less opposed to the idea. Still, large apartment buildings full of people are socially problematic, but if you've been here and your memory goes back 15 years you would already know that.
DeleteLarge apartment buildings full of people CAN be “socially problematic”; it isn’t the size of the buildings that render them such.
DeleteRegardless, my point wasn’t that fewer big buildings are better than more smaller buildings. My point is that siting a requisite number of smaller buildings with parks, yards, etc.—in a city this small and given the paucity of available, buildable lots—is a pipe dream.
Michael B. -
Delete3 Qs:
First, Hudson’s entire residential housing stock is worth roughly $1 billion, within a total city real-estate base of ~$1.5 billion.
How does spending ~$200 million+ of public money on one subsidised housing redevelopment make sense in a city of fewer than 6,000 people?
Second, Hudson’s school district performs very poorly relative to the rest of Columbia County, and the Second Ward is already one of the county’s lowest-opportunity areas by income, housing, and education.
Look up 12534 and sub areas here:
https://opportunityinsights.org/atlasresources/
Third, Hudson has a limited base of high-paying jobs. Even the former mayor had to take a job in Dutchess County.
Classic “amenity city” / “Zoom Town” problem, but with more inequality.
So why roughly double subsidised housing on essentially the same site, in the same low-opportunity neighbourhood? In a city that already has more subsidized housing (proportionally) than NYC.
That is not “not here.”
It is a question of where public investment creates the most opportunity.
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And is it fair to over-tax Working Middle-Class residents and retirees on fixed incomes to subsidise housing for new residents who have yet to move here and who will pay virtually zero property and school taxes?
Is that not economic displacement?
The Zanotellis / Hilvermans / Crosses / Cousins of Hudson, increasingly posting from Greenport, cemeteries, Botswana and Albany, like to blame new residents (and call them every "ism" and "ist" under the sun if they do not genuflect.
But new residents pay full taxes, often more, because of Hudson’s Welcome Stranger Tax.
p.s. re: "workers in Hudson’s restaurants, shops and classrooms:"
How many actually live in Bliss?
The lions share live in Greenport, other parts of Hudson, Catskill and surrounding towns.
And what federal, state, or professional standard establishes 20% subsidised rentals as the floor for a healthy community?
New York permits certain employment-based housing preferences, subject to fair-housing rules.
If the goal is really to house people who work in Hudson, why not explore true Workforce Housing (based on working in Hudson) instead of doubling subsidised housing in an already low-opportunity neighbourhood?
Chair Bogle deserves real credit here. After months of plans, drawings, narratives and revisions, asking for one clear, definitive package showing exactly what the Planning Board is being asked to approve is not obstruction — it’s responsible oversight. His questions about human scale and how these buildings actually relate to Hudson are equally important. Based on what Carole has presented here, these buildings could be almost anywhere in America. For a project of this size and permanence, what makes it of Hudson, rather than simply something being built in Hudson? Urgency and rigorous review are not mutually exclusive. Bogle is doing exactly what a Planning Board chair should be doing.
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