Carole, you have a lot of nerve to cite a quote from MLK after your hateful posts during the election last year where you slandered a candidate based on racist stereotypes. You knew them to be untrue and posted anyway. Ironic that you now select a quote about a 'false choice' since that is exactly what you championed last year. But I'll take inspiration from the quote you chose and respond with another MLK quote:
"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
While I'm disappointed in Carole, I'm even more saddened by how very silent many in Hudson were. But then again, perhaps people expressed their disgust at the polls.
Hate, unheimlich, is when one makes false and unproven accusations about someone, such as a candidate, based on their race, gender, sexual orientation, age, creed or disability. Carole used racial stereotypes in an attempt to take down a candidate who ran on issues and brought hope to this city. And despite the racial slurs spread here, he still won by a landslide. Had Carole stuck to the issues in her critiques rather than race-based personal attacks, then I'd have no problem with her views. But there is no excuse to use racial stereotypes. That is hate. Perhaps you should revisit the dictionary and look it up.
Not anonymous at all. This is Chris McManus. I don't hide. I've called Carole out for her racism before, here and on Facebook. Today is exactly the day to call out racist acts and slander against fellow citizens -- especially those seeking to serve our city. Or perhaps you also are ok with racial stereotypes to try to win elections. Have you even read anything that MLK wrote? Let it go? You need to wake up John A! Racism is not ok. Silence is not ok. Your tacit endorsement is not ok. Especially on MLK day.
Tim, while I admire your loyalty to Carole, racism is racism and there is no excuse for it. Sadly, your defense makes you #Complicit.
Whipping up hatred would be a blogger who posts untruths about a candidate based on deeply rooted and vile racial stereotypes. Of course John A. would tell me to 'let it go.' But you see, that is exactly how racism survives and even thrives in our communities. People are afraid to ruffle feathers, confront racist commentary and prefer to overlook it. So racism remains unchecked and it festers. Propagates even. If we are to address racism head-on in Hudson, then we must follow the advice of MLK and refuse to be silent. If you overlook it and 'let it go' then you are part of the problem.
Thank you for clarifying. I was unsure whether you intended to refer to sewage or to seeding.
I will leave it to better minds than mine to decide whether Carole's naked glee in calling Kamal a "bold faced liar" was racist or simply a misfired attempt to endorse her own candidate; she was, after all, merely parroting a report first published elsewhere.
And the determination of the original source of that report? I will also leave to better minds than mine, although I have my own ideas.
The more telling condemnation of the Gossips mongering was the utter silence, both on Carole's part and that of her candidate, which followed upon the initial report having been exposed as erroneous. That would have been the time to step back, apologize and repudiate the smear.
I am putting an end to this exchange between HudsonHudson and Unheimlich. Both of you have made your points.
Regarding HudsonHudsons’s allegations, I invite readers to review the posts that inspired them and decide for yourselves: https://gossipsofrivertown.blogspot.com/2019/06/rector-and-johnston-side-by-side.html and https://gossipsofrivertown.blogspot.com/2019/09/meetings-and-events-in-week-ahead.html.
To Unheimlich, I appreciate your support—although being called “an industrious senior citizen” not so much—but this is getting tedious.
The MLK quote I had planned to use was this, but the Columbia County Democrats beat me to it: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” It seems that in Hudson we have gotten to a place where trying to examine the content of the character of someone seeking public office or questioning their motives is tantamount to racism.
Unheimlich has demanded that I restore his comment, and so I am:
McManus, you're like some murderous character from the French Revolution.
It's not good enough to have a civil disagreement with someone. If they're defending someone you detest then they're all equally worthy of the guillotine, and for the same imagined crime!
Yes I'm loyal to Carole, though not to her single-minded support of mayoral candidate Rector.
I didn’t vote for Rick because he never acted on a single suggestion I made. I was in the process of suing the Planning Board when he asked me to head up a waterfront committee. The petition I was writing was an attempt to shed light on the substandard work of the attorney for the Planning Board and the ZBA. It was on his bad advice that both Boards accomplished more lasting damage to the City than anything the Applicant/owner of the South Bay could have achieved on their own. I told Rick, fire the attorney and I'll get you an LWRP. Eventually he did fire the attorney, but only many months later, and too late to get anywhere with the waterfront program.
So no, I didn’t appreciate Gossips' devotion to former Mayor Rector, but I vehemently defend her right to use her blog in any way she pleases. Agfter that, let the market decide whether or not it's a worthwhile product.
If this meant that she merely repeated something she'd read in The Register-Star, a frequent practice for her but for you, in this example, a case of "racist stereotyping," then where was your outrage at the time for the City's official newspaper? Where was your Letter to the Editor or your protest at the paper's offices?
Instead, as any coward would do, you continue to single out an industrious senior citizen with your toxic, circumstantial, and to me, incredible insinuations of racism, and against a woman whose private enterprise is so useful to so many that it's become a local institution.
You may certainly disagree with her, as I do all the time, but you're attempting censorship by other means, and by the same sort of character assassination you've merely accused her of practicing. I think you may be the only one who doesn’t see this.
But the present discussion is not really about race despite your determination to make it so. I doubt that your psychology is genuinely concerned with race or racism at all.
As a weapon, though, and the easiest one to silence those with whom you disagree, racial tensions are something that you excite and then exploit for your own aggrandizement.
Employing the same rhetoric as the French revolutionaries did during The Terror, your exploitation of race provides you with inexhaustible, egoistic opportunities to satify impulses known only to yourself.
The sad fact is, if African-Americans weren't so handy then you'd be exploiting some other group for your transparent purpose. History is littered with such people.
(Expect me to cut-and-paste the foregoing psychoanalysis each and every time we have an exchange, and whether or not you've addressed me first.)
Carole, you have a lot of nerve to cite a quote from MLK after your hateful posts during the election last year where you slandered a candidate based on racist stereotypes. You knew them to be untrue and posted anyway. Ironic that you now select a quote about a 'false choice' since that is exactly what you championed last year. But I'll take inspiration from the quote you chose and respond with another MLK quote:
ReplyDelete"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
While I'm disappointed in Carole, I'm even more saddened by how very silent many in Hudson were. But then again, perhaps people expressed their disgust at the polls.
And you have a lot of nerve to use King’s birthday to make anonymous, unfounded claims of racism against Carole. You need to let it go M.
ReplyDeleteIt's Orwell's "Two Minutes Hate."
DeleteKudos to Gossips for posting it anyway.
Hate, unheimlich, is when one makes false and unproven accusations about someone, such as a candidate, based on their race, gender, sexual orientation, age, creed or disability. Carole used racial stereotypes in an attempt to take down a candidate who ran on issues and brought hope to this city. And despite the racial slurs spread here, he still won by a landslide. Had Carole stuck to the issues in her critiques rather than race-based personal attacks, then I'd have no problem with her views. But there is no excuse to use racial stereotypes. That is hate. Perhaps you should revisit the dictionary and look it up.
DeleteNot anonymous at all. This is Chris McManus. I don't hide. I've called Carole out for her racism before, here and on Facebook. Today is exactly the day to call out racist acts and slander against fellow citizens -- especially those seeking to serve our city. Or perhaps you also are ok with racial stereotypes to try to win elections. Have you even read anything that MLK wrote? Let it go? You need to wake up John A! Racism is not ok. Silence is not ok. Your tacit endorsement is not ok. Especially on MLK day.
ReplyDeleteMr. McManus, in this thread anyway you're whipping up hatred which is both unwarranted and self-serving.
DeleteIn my eyes you're a sewer of hate, but I forgive you.
T. O'Connor
I meant "sower," heh.
DeleteTim, while I admire your loyalty to Carole, racism is racism and there is no excuse for it. Sadly, your defense makes you #Complicit.
ReplyDeleteWhipping up hatred would be a blogger who posts untruths about a candidate based on deeply rooted and vile racial stereotypes. Of course John A. would tell me to 'let it go.' But you see, that is exactly how racism survives and even thrives in our communities. People are afraid to ruffle feathers, confront racist commentary and prefer to overlook it. So racism remains unchecked and it festers. Propagates even. If we are to address racism head-on in Hudson, then we must follow the advice of MLK and refuse to be silent. If you overlook it and 'let it go' then you are part of the problem.
Thank you for clarifying. I was unsure whether you intended to refer to sewage or to seeding.
ReplyDeleteI will leave it to better minds than mine to decide whether Carole's naked glee in calling Kamal a "bold faced liar" was racist or simply a misfired attempt to endorse her own candidate; she was, after all, merely parroting a report first published elsewhere.
And the determination of the original source of that report? I will also leave to better minds than mine, although I have my own ideas.
The more telling condemnation of the Gossips mongering was the utter silence, both on Carole's part and that of her candidate, which followed upon the initial report having been exposed as erroneous. That would have been the time to step back, apologize and repudiate the smear.
Well said!
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ReplyDeleteI am putting an end to this exchange between HudsonHudson and Unheimlich. Both of you have made your points.
ReplyDeleteRegarding HudsonHudsons’s allegations, I invite readers to review the posts that inspired them and decide for yourselves: https://gossipsofrivertown.blogspot.com/2019/06/rector-and-johnston-side-by-side.html and https://gossipsofrivertown.blogspot.com/2019/09/meetings-and-events-in-week-ahead.html.
To Unheimlich, I appreciate your support—although being called “an industrious senior citizen” not so much—but this is getting tedious.
The MLK quote I had planned to use was this, but the Columbia County Democrats beat me to it: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” It seems that in Hudson we have gotten to a place where trying to examine the content of the character of someone seeking public office or questioning their motives is tantamount to racism.
Unheimlich has demanded that I restore his comment, and so I am:
ReplyDeleteMcManus, you're like some murderous character from the French Revolution.
It's not good enough to have a civil disagreement with someone. If they're defending someone you detest then they're all equally worthy of the guillotine, and for the same imagined crime!
Yes I'm loyal to Carole, though not to her single-minded support of mayoral candidate Rector.
I didn’t vote for Rick because he never acted on a single suggestion I made. I was in the process of suing the Planning Board when he asked me to head up a waterfront committee. The petition I was writing was an attempt to shed light on the substandard work of the attorney for the Planning Board and the ZBA. It was on his bad advice that both Boards accomplished more lasting damage to the City than anything the Applicant/owner of the South Bay could have achieved on their own. I told Rick, fire the attorney and I'll get you an LWRP. Eventually he did fire the attorney, but only many months later, and too late to get anywhere with the waterfront program.
So no, I didn’t appreciate Gossips' devotion to former Mayor Rector, but I vehemently defend her right to use her blog in any way she pleases. Agfter that, let the market decide whether or not it's a worthwhile product.
If this meant that she merely repeated something she'd read in The Register-Star, a frequent practice for her but for you, in this example, a case of "racist stereotyping," then where was your outrage at the time for the City's official newspaper? Where was your Letter to the Editor or your protest at the paper's offices?
Instead, as any coward would do, you continue to single out an industrious senior citizen with your toxic, circumstantial, and to me, incredible insinuations of racism, and against a woman whose private enterprise is so useful to so many that it's become a local institution.
You may certainly disagree with her, as I do all the time, but you're attempting censorship by other means, and by the same sort of character assassination you've merely accused her of practicing. I think you may be the only one who doesn’t see this.
But the present discussion is not really about race despite your determination to make it so. I doubt that your psychology is genuinely concerned with race or racism at all.
As a weapon, though, and the easiest one to silence those with whom you disagree, racial tensions are something that you excite and then exploit for your own aggrandizement.
Employing the same rhetoric as the French revolutionaries did during The Terror, your exploitation of race provides you with inexhaustible, egoistic opportunities to satify impulses known only to yourself.
The sad fact is, if African-Americans weren't so handy then you'd be exploiting some other group for your transparent purpose. History is littered with such people.
(Expect me to cut-and-paste the foregoing psychoanalysis each and every time we have an exchange, and whether or not you've addressed me first.)