Wednesday, April 21, 2021

Of Interest

A reader just sent me this screenshot from the New York Times, and I share it with you.

This list comes from an article that was published in the NYTimes yesterday: "How the Pandemic Did, and Didn't, Change Where Americans Move." Read on a computer instead of a phone, the list appears in this format, which provides a bit more information:


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  2. Clearly it means Columbia County as the City’s population is barely scratching 7k let alone 50k.

  3. These charts showing Hudson as tops in in-migration can be confusing. The article states: "Postal Service data gives us some of our best insight, spanning the whole country, down to the ZIP code level." The zip code 12534 is not limited to the two-square miles of the City of Hudson, so it appears that the article, like the post office, Zillow, and others use "Hudson" to describe the entire, much larger, zip code area, which you can view on this map:

    I can't claim to have any expertise in statistics. But there also seems to be an internal inconsistency in the data presented in the article. The table Gossips reproduced shows a change of +9.7% in-migration between 2019 and 2020. The article's interactive map shows only +4% in-migration for the same period.

  4. Its referring to the Hudson, NY metropolitan statistical area as defined by the US census. The census maps look like this happens to roughly line up with Columbia County.

    The Kingston statistical area looks like it contains big chunks of both Ulster and Greene counties.

    The linked NYT article has a map where you can view the data by zip code. The increase for 12534 is actually much less dramatic than other parts of Columbia county.

  5. US Census metro region shapes:

  6. With all these people moving in something should be done about the sewer system before building any apartment buildings. Every time it rains...

    Issued: 04-22-2021, 08:08:41
    Affects: New York - Columbia - HUdson
    The Hudson (C) STP, NY0022039 is issuing this notification.

    Discharge location: 2 Dock Street, HUdson, NY
    Location details:
    Waterbody affected: Hudson River
    Discharge description:
    Potentially impacted public areas: Other -

    Discharge date and time: 04-21-2021 15:27:22
    Discharge duration: 00:49:11 Hours
    Discharge reason: Weather Conditions - Rain event caused high flows to system. CSO's will discharge intermittently throughout duration of event.

    Steps taken to contain discharge: Ensure all pumps are running to full capacity.

    Volume/rate of discharge: 50,000 Gallons Estimated

    Treated state of discharge: Partially Treated with Disinfection

    1. Maybe Rob Perry should stop taking in everyone else's septic and then patting himself on the back for creating revenue. How is he allowed to take in extra when there is shit being pumped into the river!

    2. To be fair, the discharges into the river are a consequence of combined sewer overflow. It is not because the sanitary sewer is overwhelmed by too many flushing toilets (or septage from other sources for that matter), but because during a heavy rain all the storm water off the streets goes into the same sewer treatment system. The City has been working for decades to separate the storm water sewer from the sanitary sewer, but the task hasn't been accomplished yet. Fortunately, these overflows often happen in the middle of the night when few people are awake and flushing their toilets.

    3. To be fair to MS:

      1. The overflows happen during heavy rains and those occur at any time of day or night; and

      2. The city accepts trucked-in septic right before and also during rains which are heavy enough to cause overflows.

      In the latter circumstance which I've witnessed more than once, MS's comment is totally appropriate: How is the city "allowed to take in extra when there is shit being pumped into the river!"

      To be fair to MS, not to mention the river, how indeed?

    4. Obviously the discharge is caused by combined sewer overflow. The point is, if you add hundreds of new apartments to the system, those overflows are going to contain an even greater amount of raw sewage and chemicals. The sewer situation should be addressed before adding more toilets to the system. That's common sense, no where would you be allowed to build a new house with a septic tank that dumped into the river every time it rained.

  7. I was a census enumerator last year and I found many people who had been living in Hudson moved out to surrounding areas within the county.

  8. The sewers sure stink after a rainfall and sometimes when there is no rain. Infrastructure needs work. Big new apartment buildings and hotels are going to stretch the system.

    1. so true ! The Depot district proposals ignore this important information. Let us hope that the possible JLE developer does not. The City of Hudson bills homeowners 110/ quarter for each housing unit for water and sewer. I hope they are not trying to wriggle out of those fees as well as taxes.