Thursday, January 25, 2024

Public Input, County Government Style

Yesterday, the Columbia County Board of Supervisors held a "public input meeting" about 11 Warren Street, the property the County purchased recently from the Galvan Foundation for $3.35 million. Close to forty people showed up to witness the event or to offer their input. Four of the five Hudson supervisors--Claire Cousin (First Ward), Michael Chameides (Third Ward), Linda Mussmann (Fourth Ward), and Rick Scalera (Fifth Ward)--were among the supervisors present to hear what the public had to say. 

At the outset, Matt Murell, supervisor for the Town of Stockport and chair of the Board of Supervisors, stated unequivocally, "We purchased [11 Warren Street] for county office space, and that will not change." He then explained that Ray Jurkowski, who has been Commissioner for Public Works for the county since the beginning of 2022, would make a presentation about the project, and comments from the public had to be confined to "the presentation and who is recommended to inhabit the building."


Jurkowski's presentation confirmed the departments to be relocated to 11 Warren Street:
  • Board of Elections (now located at 401 State Street)
  • Probation Department (now located at 610 State Street)
  • Public Defender (now located at 610 State Street)
  • District Attorney (now located at 325 Columbia Street)
Jurkowski explained 11 Warren Street would be "the legal building for the county." He also indicated that the County wants to hear ideas from the public about how the appearance of the building could be improved. "It is now a county building," Jurkowski said. "It should look like it belongs in that area. We are looking for ways to improve the facade."


When it came time for public comment, Councilmember Margaret Morris (First Ward) was the first to be called on. Fearful, as she told Gossips later, that she might be asked to sit down if she didn't abide by Murell's constraints, she began by saying she was concerned about putting the District Attorney and the Public Defender in the same building. She went on to say that the County's plan for 11 Warren was not compatible with what the City planned for the site, spoke of foregone tax dollars since the building will be off the tax rolls, and expressed the opinion that it was unfortunate that there had not been a call for public input earlier.

The next speaker completely ignored Murell's request that comments be confined to "the presentation and who is recommended to inhabit the building" and took the Board of Supervisors to task for not allowing the Hudson Youth Clubhouse, a program run by Pamela Badila, to remain in the building. Although their lease with Galvan was up at the end of November, the County could have allowed them to stay. As Jurkowski indicated in his presentation, the design phase of this project will take up most of 2024. There seems to be no good reason why the Clubhouse couldn't have stayed in the building during that time.

In all, nine members of the public spoke at the meeting, and none spoke in favor of the project. Six of the comments objected because the County's proposed use of the building postpones any hope of replacing the 50-year-old relic of misguided urban planning with more appropriate development for another three to five decades. Typical was this statement by Peg Patterson, proprietor of the retail store Dish, located just two doors up from 11 Warren Street:
This move by the County just throws away any opportunity to rethink an entire block and an unattractive eyesore of a strip mall that is out of character with the neighborhood. With all the money spent and excitement felt about the new Promenade Park with its graceful steps to the river, this seems like a wasted opportunity. . . .
This is the beginning of Warren Street. The first block of our City's commercial and historic street should be an attractive row of buildings offering retail opportunities and apartments. Many have said this but it's worth stressing that retail businesses create money for the City and the County. . . .
So thoughtless. Another missed opportunity. Why does this happen over and over again in Hudson?
In her comments, Annick de Bellefeuille made the point that a 18,632 square foot building taking up such a large space was wrongheaded and wasteful in a small city where the demand for housing is greater than the supply. 


Two of the Hudson supervisors who were present at the meeting--Claire Cousin (First Ward) and Linda Mussmann (Fourth Ward)--also spoke out against the plan. Cousin, who claimed to have "voiced her concern" about the project previously, complained that Hudson supervisors were "the last to have a say in issues that affect Hudson." Mussmann declared that she had been opposed to the project from the beginning but couldn't "reach out" because of the constraints of executive session. She expressed the opinion that "the County should think of reducing its footprint [in Hudson] rather than expanding it." She also echoed what others had said about 11 Warren Street: "That building was the one building that everyone had hoped could be eliminated." 

Interestingly, Mussmann serves on the Board of Supervisors Space Utilization Committee, the committee that, according to some accounts, identified 11 Warren Street as a possible location. Mussmann, however, denied being part of any meeting of that committee which was devoted to the acquisition of 11 Warren Street. Other supervisors on the Space Utilization Committee are Ronald Knott (Stuyvesant), Clifford "Kippy" Wiegelt (Claverack), James Guzzi (Livingston), Brenda Adams (Canaan), and Robert Lagonia (Austerlitz).

The videorecording of the meeting has not yet been posted on YouTube. Gossips will let you know when it is.
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20 comments:

  1. It really boggles me on the motivation for this purchase. We can only speculate... sweetheart deal for Galvan, self-dealing? Who knows. It's so out of the county government's interests too. You could easily and much cheaply rent or buy one of the vacant shopping centers in Greenport. Places that will probably not be rented otherwise (outside of a Spirit Halloween). Also, the tax revenue potential of the first block of Warren is enormous for the county's coffers. Don't Republicans like lower taxes? I sure do. Or is it some mean spirited wish to see Hudson go back into decline? I'm truly baffled.

    I wonder if it would be possible for the Common Council to take direct action and make the county's use of the property untenable through a bunch of jurisdictional land use maneuvering? Rezone as residential, etc? Declare it adaptive reuse and have it die via the slow death known as the Planning Board? I have no idea and am just spitballing here. Also, why do we never hear anything from the mayor about these type of issues? The Mayor is the elected leader of the people and thus has a platform. This issue, the haul road... the silence is deafening.

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    1. Just for clarification, because Hudson is the county seat, there are some things that cannot by law be located elsewhere. The Board of Elections is one of those things. The real question IMO is why the County rejected the idea of acquiring John L. Edwards. They could have moved everything into that building.

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    2. Thanks for the info. Yes, JL Edwards would have been a much better building to utilize. Plus the money would go to the school system and not Galvan's pockets.

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    3. John L even looks like an office building, with better parking. That old strip mall looks better suited for a check cashing or second hand store. Maybe they could rent one of the spots to the Salvation Army, that long wide sidewalk out front has plenty of room for people to line up for free lunches. Too bad a bunch of clueless people from distant rural areas get to make decisions that impact the business district of the only city in the county. It's like an idiotic episode out of the Beverly Hillbillies.

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  2. Not to worry, people, the city is going to hire a consultant to update our "comprehensive plan" and pay them tens of thousands of dollars to make all our problems go away, including this annoyance. We're fine!

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  3. Other supervisors on the Space Utilization Committee are Ronald Knott (Stuyvesant), Clifford "Kippy" Wiegelt (Claverack), James Guzzi (Livingston), Brenda Adams (Canaan), and Robert Lagonia (Austerlitz).... take a page out of the republican play book ... let's make this collection of 4 famous ... this proposed project STINKS ...

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  4. I'm thinking that we could get at least four dollar store franchises into #11 Warren St. Dollar Tree, Thrifty Dollar, Family Dollar, Just-A-Buck, etc. Too much elitist shopping going on around here-- let's start buying cheap plastic stuff imported from China. MAGA!

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  5. To Union Jack's point: "Why do we never hear anything from the mayor about these type of issues...the silence is deafening." He's so right. What we see over and over in Hudson is an appalling lack of vision from top elected officials. Reuse of this property--given its potential to boost jobs, new businesses, tax revenues and housing--should have been at the top of the mayor's list as at least something he could influence. And yet he was nowhere to be seen. Nor was it on the Common Council's radar, although Margaret Morris, Jennifer Belton and Gary Purnhagen did show up. In what universe does this make sense?

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    1. I attended all meetings except for this specific one. At that juncture, I recognized that the outcome was predetermined, and the county had already reached a decision. Is it necessary for me to deliver a speech merely to formalize it in the records, considering the decision remains unchanged? This is a private sale the city does not have any say whatsoever over it. For there to be reuse all of which I agree on it would take someone to purchase the property and pay to have all that done.

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    2. Yes, Mayor, "someone" would have to purchase the property and renovate it. That would, of course, require leadership -- precisely the quality dkon is identifying as lacking. That is to say, as I've said about your administration for a long time, you don't provide leadership or a vision for Hudson beyond those of the Galvan interests. All your words above are excuses. If you were not pleased with the direction the County was headed, why didn't you raise the alarm? Lead the population of Hudson in attending meetings of the BoS? You didn't make a peep. And that's not just nonfeasance on your part -- it's unforgivable.

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  6. Glad to see so many people showed up and spoke wisely. It's the dumbest decision I've seen yet in my 40 years in Hudson . furthermore, what's wrong with the buildings that the County is already occupying, what's going to happen to them? What was a golden opportunity to reconfigure that ugly building a block long on Warren to regain taxes and business activity, totally thrown away by a group mostly not from Hudson. And why was the the Public Hearing after the fact, not before the fact? Surely that's wrong.

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  7. Jennifer, you can answer your own questions. Go to 610 State Street, which dates back to 1886. Our County employees and the community it serves deserve a much more modern facility. Once again, from the very small group of people who comment on this site, If it is not what YOU want, it is wrong.

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    1. From all of the comments I have read about all of the things that have happened in the community recently, BOTH sides have an opinion about what they feel is right. "If it's not what YOU want, it is wrong" can be applied to both sides of every argument, including yours. If we can all find a way to be less intractable, positive changes for ALL can be achieved.

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  8. @Lew and @the early girl: Wait a second. A) This was a done deal before anyone in Hudson had an opportunity to comment, so the comments are happening now. B) It's not about what people want, but what engaged citizens think brings the most benefit to Hudson. C) If you want to engage as well, you are more than welcome. By all means, express an opinion on the SUBSTANCE of the discussion, instead of criticizing people for having an opinion. And D) Lew actually raises an excellent point: that 610 State is an old building and county citizens needing services deserve better. This is where you have a conversation. The question here is whether 11 Warren is the right place for the County, or whether it serves the city better as a development that creates economic activity, jobs, and housing. It's a big opportunity and, for the city, this is a very low-return use. No tax revenues, no housing, no jobs. All we're arguing is that there are other sites that work better as County Offices, while this one would be amazing for development of housing and retail because of where it is.

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  9. I agree with you 100%, dkon. I'm not sure where you read that I was criticizing anyone for having an opinion. What I INTENDED in my comment was to say we all have a right to feel the way we do. No one side is better than the other and just seems like the Us vs Them issue in this town hinders the community's ability to stand together against bad decisions made by the County. In my opinion, this is one of the bad decisions, and the secret way they handled it should be a cautionary tale. While the employees and community absolutely deserve better offices, I have zero idea why the County decided that 11 Warren was the ONLY option. I was at the Public Input Meeting and it was clear from the start the Board (except two Hudson Supervisors who spoke in opposition) didn't care what anyone, new or old, thought about the acquisition. The question I have now is: can anything be done at this late stage? Is there any appeal that can be introduced? The mayor says there's nothing he can do.

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    1. Also - for clarity - my name is Alex. Blogger had my old username as the default.

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    2. I agree with you, and furthermore, I think some bad actors use the "us vs them" lightning rod to either distract or to gather a grassroots of "useful idiots" to their cause. I think that most of the latest issues can have a good faith argument on either side. However, I tend to give more credence to people that are current stakeholders in Hudson, actual residents and small business owners; rather than those who are outside of Hudson and are only interested in using the city for their personal economic benefit, or as a place to foist their NIMBY problems away from their town's responsibilities (low income housing, truck route, etc). And I give zero credence to those who have no current attachments to Hudson, outside of misguided nostalgia and actively root against our city in part of some weird proxy battle in their politics of grievance.

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    3. As far as what can still be done about 11 Warren, I think there are plenty of options. Continued pressure from the electeds and citizens of Hudson. Investigative journalism into how the deal was brokered with Galvan and the county. Hopefully some of our more engaged council members will look into any bureaucratic/legal warfare that may delay and make it not worth it for the county (does it have to expand its connection to our combined sewer system that is currently restricted by the DEC?). Outside of ego and whatever weird motives made them rush through this deal, there's nothing stopping them from changing their mind, looking at buying JL Edwards and selling off 11 Warren, possibly at a profit. Any outcome will have a major impact on Hudson, way more than the haul road IMO. If there is a will, there's always a way.

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  10. Hi Union Jack. Thank you for your replies! I've reached out to anyone I could think of to get more info and educate myself on options. Hoping to find a group already organized to join but if I don't I will organize it myself. Lots to learn and I do not profess to be any great hope in getting anything accomplished but seems like 11 Warren Street should not go down without a fight.

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